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Yes, I saw this on an infomercial this morning, which automatically sends me careening toward the junk side of the genius-junk continuum. Still, I can’t help but wonder if this thing has a place in the shop. The ad shows it plowing through metal and wood in what appears to be a relatively controlled manner — but then shows it cutting tomatoes and eggs, which seems pretty damn jackass. Read on for the details.

The basics: It’s a 4.5″ (read: trim-sized) circ saw featuring counterrotating blades. The manufacturer claims that the dual-blade design reduces kickback force, spark output, and vibrations, making it easier to make precision cuts. Somehow I have trouble considering anything cutting with this wide a kerf “precision.” But not everything in the shop needs to be (or starts out to be) precision-cut. This reminds me of terminology you see in the specs of plasma cutters all the time: There’s “cutting,” which means leaving both sides of the cut with a relatively straight, finished edge, and there’s “severing,” which means hacking the damn thing into two pieces which you can clean up later if you wish. If this were a good tool for “severing” bits of steel or wood (or other stuff), it might not be a bad deal.

Pricing is a bit of an issue, though: $120 seems steep for something like this, especially with no brand backing to give us any idea of quality. (Hey — I’m as against buying tools “by color” as you should be. But with no other information on which to judge, what do we do?) Replacement parts might be an issue, too, if the company bites the dust or abandons the project. Now that I think about it, I’d really like to know how blade life stacks up as well.

What do you think? Have any of you actually used this thing? Or maybe more to the point: Would we be better served with one of the many multi-material circ saws out there?

The DualSaw [Corporate Site]

 

76 Responses to Genius or Junk? The Dual Saw

  1. Blind says:

    Rigid makes one for about $150 as I recall. So you’ve got your brand backing, but I’m still not sure if it’s a good idea or not. Maybe for rough cuts through sheets of material, but I don’t know

  2. PutnamEco says:

    Craftsman has their Twin Cutter as well. Slightly larger bladed, looks to be based on an angle grinder.

  3. Dave says:

    I’ve got one, a Craftsman. It’s loud and throws some fierce debris around but I really like it.

  4. Ross says:

    They are selling them at Costco now.

  5. Dave A. says:

    Harbor Freight has their version for under $90. $30-40 for a set of blades tho.

  6. Ron says:

    Don’t buy the Harbor Freight one, it’s a cheap copy – saw one of those “unboxing” power tool demos on YouTube and it burned up on the first use. The actual DUALSAW brand is pretty reliable. Use the code NOSHIP on the website to get free shipping, there are lots of promos on the Facebook page.

  7. pencilneck says:

    A friend of mine has one. Limited uses where it is really needed, but he says it does work really good and the quality of it seems to be up to snuff so far.

  8. Benoit says:

    I’ve worked with the Ridgid one on a couple jobs. I’d say it’s a pretty decent tool since it doesn’t kickback and cut quickly. The only drawback I’ve found so far is the depth of cut that won’t exceed about 1″ with a 5″ blade so it’s useless if you work with framing lumber. On the other hand, it’s probably the best tool I’ve found to cut corrugated steel and sheet metal. The best feature of this saw? It cuts pretty much anything like wood, plastic, ferrous and non-ferrous metals, and all that with the same blade. You can say the same with any other circ saw or even a grinder…

  9. jesse says:

    You can find videos for many brands on YouTube. Canadian Tire has their model: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsif7IEe_D8

  10. jesse says:

    There are a lot of good tool videos on this guy’s YT channel too – I assume it’s a guy. It says ‘mostly tools’.

  11. Phil says:

    I’ve had the Craftsman version for several years now. It’s surprisingly clean cutting, leaving practically no burrs on the cuts, where an abrasive cutting disk leaves burned flash behind. It cuts remarkably fast through most material, even steel bar stock over an inch thick. The only real problem with the tool is the operation is entirely freehand. If you can steady the tool and cut square along your lines, you’ll have little cleanup work afterward. Very little if any sparking results when cutting steel, but the thing spews hot chips in both directions tangentially from the cut. Safety glasses and gloves are a must, and don’t think of working alongside someone less than 30 feet away, they could be showered with hot chips.

  12. ambush says:

    I haven’t used one but I’ve heard good things, especially with thin aluminum or steel or copper pipe.

  13. Gene says:

    All I can do is laugh when I read”I bought one”
    We had a tool Rep come out to our job site and let 12 of us put this THING to a hands on,in the field test. After two hours,the REP said he was convinced that he would never be able to sell this item to any one with any real tool experience. There was not one demonstration that he tried, that couldn’t be completed better and faster with a simple 5″ Grinder.
    I still laugh about it when I see one in the store, because that’s the only place you will ever see one.

    • Larry Watkinson says:

      Own one by Dual Saw- love it but like everything has limitations- depth of cut, blade life if abussed, cutting curves. Awesome to not have to change blade on wide range of plastics, metal and wood. No kick back- huge. Awesome on drywall framing, sheetmetal. I cut a lot of heavy guage aluminum- like butter. Should be in every handyman’s arsenal.

  14. Noah G says:

    I’d rather buy a Dremel Saw Max

  15. Jerry says:

    Saw an infomercial yesterday for one of these under a big name brand which my old memory just can’t recall at the moment. I’ve lloked at HF version just to see what the operation of the thing really was. I pondered for some time before deciding I already had a separate tool for anything this tool might accomplish. Gene’s 5″ angle grinder would easily do most anything this device could do – besides, it don’t have a laser so it must be junk! Someone had to say it.

  16. Aric says:

    I remember this. Its origins were shown on the TV show “Pitchmen” in 2009, developed by a fireman/rescue worker who wanted a low-spark, low-kickback saw that could be used at rescue sites, eg. a car crash, to cut open cars, and then rescue victims without potentially setting leaking automotive fluids on fire or injuring the operator (or victims) by bucking hard when trying to saw through the metal pillars of a vehicle. Just one of the many uses the inventor demonstrated to the Pitchmen when they decided to accept his invention.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVajnagPUYw

  17. Mike says:

    Dual Saw was named Omni by Infusion Brands International, Inc. run Robert Dececco Ceo & President of infusion just renamed the saw & moved the Company from Van Nuys Ca.
    to Clearwater Florida when he had gotten to Many Complaints from Customers Filed with the Better Business Bureau 148 to be Exact!
    Do a search at BBB or here:
    http://www.corporationwiki.com/Florida/Tampa/infusion-brands-international-inc/28453620.aspx

    Take out spaces when Pasting except Hyphenations on bottom line.
    Follow links:
    This Company & SAWs are (JUNK) BAD NEWS!

  18. Mike says:

    You can Also see the other Boggis Companies this Robert Dececco owns: even the BBB Complaints says the Warrenties aren’t ever covered,Phone #’s are NOT any good or just Won’t be Answered…EVER And some People were Told The Do NOT give RMA’s even if You just received the Saw & decided you don’t won’t it even though their Website DualSAw dot Com say they”l refund If your Not Happy? BULLS..T!

    Don’t Buy!!!!!

  19. DW says:

    I had the Craftsman version years ago, had to be at least 10 years ago. I burned up the gearbox on some steel computer floor tiles. It worked great, until it didn’t. It made big hot chips. I guess they put them to bed until they thought people forgot about them.

    I have been thinking about one of those metal cutting circular saws, but I balk at it whenever I think about the nuclear swarf those carbide blades produced.

  20. fred says:

    @DW

    We’ve been using a 9 inch Evolution amd a look-a-like Morse CSM9MB saw and a Milwaukee 8 inch Metal Cutting – with Morse Metal Devil metal-cutting blades for some years now to cut metal decking. The Evolution saw is a bit gimmicky and you can’t get away with tossing them in the back of the truck – but with some TLC and enough spare blades – they work OK at controlling flying hot debris to a minimum. Morse says that their saw has a 30 minute duty cycle – but our experience is that the blade is the limitation

  21. Dustin says:

    I used one for a few minutes and will never do so again. First the noise. Goodness gracious! I had in foam ear plugs and muffs over that and it was still shrieking. Second – control. With a regular rotating tool, it is easy to anticipate which way the wheel will “pull” with this monstrosity, at will, it would jerk one way or another. Last, the debris flying all over sent some bystanders running for cover.

    Garbage. In a word.

  22. Toolfreak says:

    Interesting idea, but I’d say it’s not really a regular use tool, more like something in line with a specialty rescue-oriented purpose. Great for sawing someone out of their car or something, probably not the best tool for just cutting pipe.

    I would have bought one year ago, until I saw the price of the replacement blade pairs…2/3 the price of the saw itself. Then there were the lube sticks, and once those were on clearance you knew you’d never be able to buy them again. Maybe for $29.99 it would be worth a few cuts, but for the $99-399 these things were selling at, I could buy two angle grinders and a lot of cutting discs. Or just a good ‘ol chop saw.

  23. Alan Grover says:

    14 July 2012,
    I was just quoted over the phone Au$263.95 plus au$49.80 shipping for the Rapid cut “Dual Saw” tool I saw on the info commercial on Australian TV.(plus a free renovator tool valued at aAu$240.00 (+ $14.95 shipping)
    Too pricey for me without using it first.
    Thanks for the comments.
    Alan,
    Perth, Australia

    • Gav says:

      Good decision mate ! TOO Noisy and only freehand use ! a 5″ grinder and Skil saw can do everything it does..PLUS ! AVOID LIKE BLACK & DECKER !!

  24. Kevin says:

    I,ve been using one to cut several propane tanks for meat smokers and have no problem cutting them. Once you get use to free handing you can cut perfectly straight lines for doors which you need on smokers. I got mine at Menards 79.99 with a twenty dollar rebate (59.99). Well worth the money!!!

    • Bernie says:

      What brand saw are you using? How long do the blades last and if u’ve replaced them, the cost? I need to cut up a large (1000gal)fuel oil tank in my basement. Around 1/8″ thickness. any thoughts?

  25. George says:

    Bought one. I dont think it was worth it. Kind of scary to use and the blade is not deep enough to cut a 2×4. No way to control it. Just a expensive saw thats hard to use.

  26. Reads says:

    After store rebate, I was able to get my dual saw for a very sweet $50 in April 2012. I too never expected to try an info-mercial product. But, something seemed “right” about this dual saw. Bottom line – it hasn’t replaced my circular or other saws – but absolutely is handy as hell when you are doing a number of odds and ends jobs moving from metal to plastic to sheet metal to wood (small wood). Not perfect – but dang handy and pretty powerful. No regrets!

  27. Tim says:

    have not tried but wondering if Menards has the best sale and rebate combo to justify this. It.s been tempting for numerous years.

  28. Neil says:

    Dual saw is advertised in the infomercial as a tool developed and used by the fire dept as a tool used to extracate trapped patients from vehicles involved in motor accidents. NO WAY. Tool throws sparks in infomercial when cutting steel, which automatically rule it out as fire fighters tool at accidents because of the fire risk. Sparks and fuel just dont mix. I know it has been rejected by Aussie and other countries Fire Departments for this very reason.

  29. Denis Stanley says:

    thanks for the information. really good to hear what other users say

  30. jeff says:

    Have to laugh at “knowing” comments from people who haven’t actually USED Dualsaw! The thing works fine – does what it says, cuts both directions, plunge cuts, moves from wood to plastic to steel – a good “can’t be bothered swapping tools” tool. Really laughed at “Gene”s comment how a 5″ grinder can do everything the Dualsaw does. Damn – what kind of “site” do you work on, Gene?!? One where you cut plywood and plastic pipe with a grinder? Seriously?

    • Larry Watkinson says:

      Jeff has it right- used mine a lot in a variety of circumstances… with acknowledged limitations a great tool. Larry

  31. Bill says:

    Bought one for around $80 at Costco.
    Used it once to cut 1/4 inch steel plate.
    It worked fine. I was impressed.
    It did not come with a cutting guide. They want $30 for it plus shipping. The tool should have included this cheap guide in the purchase price. I think it is necessary for cutting straight lines. Free cutting is only good for small jobs. I don’t plan on using it on wood or plastic, there are better tools. But, on metal in my shop, it appears to be a winner. Accessories are outrageously priced.

  32. mars says:

    Got one on the weekend from Stratco for $99 my sweet spot for tools. I need to cut aluminium without leaving bur’s, I’ve only done a few test cuts but I must say I’m impressed, very clean cuts, minimal filing required. blades were $60 though, wonder how long they last? It’s very solid and powerful, anyone know where I can get replacement blades cheap?

  33. Travis Walters says:

    I’m building a steel privacy fence and garage with 3×3 14 gauge tubing. I made a couple of modifications to my Dual Saw that made it safer and much easier to use. This tool is a God-send. If I never use it for anything else, it was well worth it just for this project.

  34. Bob says:

    Just got one for occaisonal use rather than a manual hacksaw. Still new in box so I could return it. Travis mentioned mods to make it safer, please elaborate. Almost bought a more expensive “versacut” which comes with a guide and a laser and has an optional miter saw stand but that one requires changing blades for different materials. I have a 12″ dewalt mitre saw but for small metal and plastic the dual saw would seem to have advantages. Has anyone seen/used an attachment to make this into a chop saw?

  35. Cheryl says:

    I just priced it at big W, Australia and its $250.00.

  36. Scott says:

    Bought an Omni, used it about a dozen times, probably less than an hour actual run time and the main gear is fried, which turns it into a single blade saw with the blade running backwards. Piece of crap, don’t waste your money, there’s lots better tools out there and I can’t see that it would do anything that I can’t do with a tool I already own. On a scale of 1-10, I’ll be generous and give it a 2.

  37. Jack Curtis says:

    I was given a dual saw for a christmas present. This item is rubbish. It sends out sparks and chunks of metal. This is a dangerous product and should be taken off the market. You cannot cut anything thick as the blades are only small. I first saw this piece of junk in an add cutting a car in half. Don’t know how they did it must have been a very thin car.. Save your money. Blades and extra are very expensive.

  38. Bill B says:

    Lots of mixed comments about dual saw a bit confusing, K-Mart Whitfords Perth W.A have it for $195.95

  39. Russell says:

    I just got one this weekend. It seemed like a good idea given all the demo I do at work for residential remodeling. Right after I got it all unpacked I started reading thru the manual….1-1/32″ cutting depth? Really?? No need to wonder why that spec wasn’t on the display. The multi-material capability is appealing but the thought of having to Q-Bert my way thru is just too annoying. And $60 for replacement blades? How much would they be if they were “Made in the USA”?! Versatility has little importance vs. Usefulness if your work includes framing material.

    • browndog77 says:

      You actually had to buy the tool to find out the cutting depth? Did you have dark glasses on when you looked at the display? This saw is not designed to cut thick material!

  40. Bob says:

    I got one a few months ago and used it to cut a couple of copper pipes…as others have mentioned, it was very loud, many scary sparks and chips flew all over, and it was difficult to control. I went back to my pipe cutter, Fein tool, or hack saw. I’d like to try the cutting stand accessory (sold at Menards), for occasional metal cutting but I’m afraid it won’t work well, anyone tried it?

  41. Jim C says:

    Bought the “Destroyer” by Dualsaw basically for thin metal and galling materials like plastics. Had a small job involving the need to cut off a piece of roof which included the cutting of 1/2 inch of plywood covered with tar paper covered with shingles and a couple of nails to saw thru; seemed like a great test. The blade was very dull by the time I finished this 5′ long cut and now needs to be replaced. Lowes has blades for 40 bucks (too costly). Need to have good tool for cutting metal roofing and similar metal items but this is rediculous. Aside from blade cost I wouldn’t mind having it around the shop for odd stuff

  42. Rad says:

    Why would you expect it to be the answer to all your cutting requirements when you can see its a hobbyists toy for a handyman that will never outperform some other tools specifically designed to do other jobs that one cant…of course it cant do everything thats why you have other tools.saves lots of time instaed of getting the big guns out to cut my baseball bat in half or even thirds.

  43. Rad says:

    I bet after you bought one not one of you carry it round in ya car with a 200 metre extension cable or generator so if ya see a car accident and someone needs to be cut out of the car yor ready to help if you felt like getting involved at all anyway.

  44. Gary says:

    I have the HF one and it’s fine. The draw back to these saws is the lack of accuracy (trying to cut fine measurments) otherwise it’s precise (clean edges). You basically are holding a giant twin rotor motor and trying to make a cut with a cumbersome blade shield. Cutting pipe, etc., in a vice it’s a snap. Or a cut where grabbing the handle for a plunge cut is fine. If it’s a precision thing the problem is the grip and the trigger…needs a real trigger on/off and two handles or attachment for them.

  45. Stan Davis says:

    Bought one for a remodeling/demo job. There is nothing this tool does that the proper power tool doesn’t do better. It does plunge cut without kickback though. I don’t think this saw will ever see much use.

  46. webie says:

    I bought one of the orginal dualsaws off of the internert I try to cut some freon tank in half to sell for scrap and I could not cut up but 6 tanks until the carbide teeth came off of the blades and I almost burnt up my saw. It will cut thin metal but it will not cut like they advertise on TV.

  47. manolo says:

    la dualasw 450 yo compre una al cuarto de hora se me quemo despues de varias llamadas me mandaro otra y a los dos minutos es empeso a calertar la tuve que parar alos cinco minutos de lo que quemaba ahora me traeran otra espero que funcione bien no estoi muy seguro

  48. Toad says:

    The dual saw I bought needs THREE hands to operate! One hand holds the body of the thing and keeps a thumb on the trigger. The second had holds the cross handle that stabilises it. Then there is a plastic ‘safety guard’ with a strong spring that needs to be pulled back out of the way when cutting but cannot be fixed in an open position – so you need a THIRD hand. The result is that you have to try to hold the ‘safety guard’ open with a finger of thumb in an awkward and potentially dangerous position when you should be concentrating on precision. On the TV commercials the guys are holding firmly onto the body and side handles with the plastic guard already secured out of the way (super glue? a rubber band?). Whatever it is, my product does not work the way the TV one suggests. I am going to contact the Australian consumer affairs organisation/product safety people and see what they say. I THINK THERE IS A MAJOR SAFETY RISK WITH THE PLASTIC GUARD on some models if not all of them.

    • Nick says:

      Toad, I agree. I bought a Rockwell Contra Saw. I reckon it works really well. Love the fact that there is no kickback, but having to hold the guard back with your thumb is a pain, and definitely reduces the tool’s safety. Such a stupid design feature!

  49. Tmix says:

    I have used this saw type of saw many time. I am a DOD contractor. We used it for Cutting out welds in track vehicles. It worked like a charm. Be aware it cutt threw metal like butter. In the process it spits out slitthers of metal also. So safty equipment is a must. Safty glasses and a hood is recomended for our job to include a safty suit with no skin exposed.

  50. Eddie Greenfield says:

    I have one and cut some light perforated steel with good results, has anyone had any experience cutting through car tyres with it, I tried a angle grinder and it just nade a mess and clogged up and I can’t see my old power saw doing the job … Cheers.

  51. dgh12 says:

    great saw cuts metal like butter. gotta make sure you got the blaze on right though otherwise you’ll burn it up.

  52. cal says:

    Dual saw cuts everything you want BUT the most useless tool in the shed. There is no guide so you can’t see the line you want to cut. If you remove the saw a little off the product you are cutting you can’t be shaw the blade is at 90 degree to your work. Great product but needs a lot more thought.

  53. K Mitchell says:

    Just bought the DualSaw Destroyer..6 1/4 inch blade. For $69.00 They had 2 left. Menards was selling if for $149. Costco’s return policy is great if I decide I don’t need it.

  54. A Rosa says:

    I bought a dual saw over a year ago. Yes the cutting depth is limiting, however it is a convenient small tool to have around the house for odd jobs. Recently I have been doing some paving with concrete pavers and the dual saw just plough through the cuts and yes I had to flip them to cut the other side (used diamond blades). I live on steep property and the idea of carting a heavy specialist cutter for pavers almost 5 stories up to my backyard did not appeal to me. It is what it is. I like my handy tool.

  55. Jim G. says:

    I just bought a RIDGID dualcut saw @ Home Depot. Closeout, last one, display item. Cheap, but no blades included. Even HD doesn’t stock the blades, (only an ordered item). OSH and the local Lowes also DO NOT stock the blades. I just measured the cut… 1 in, that’s ONE inch. Bottom is not smooth OR flat.
    Conclusion: this appears to be a beautiful well made tool; but it is basically useless for me and anyone cutting anything over an inch thick. Too bad…

  56. David Hawk says:

    First one I bought burned out in about 15 minutes – the commutator got scarred and new brushes were of no use.

    Second one seemed to work okay. Used it to help demolish an old boiler (1/4″ thick steel). Good for cuts where I didn’t know what was behind outer plate. Reciprocating saw worked better when there was sufficient space behind the plate. Dualsaw did start throwing blade teeth after a while – but I still had the blades from the first saw.

    Verdict – piece of junk, but did the job.

  57. Michael says:

    I just bought a dual saw, seems to work fine for me. But I just tried to go to the web site http://www.dualsaw.com to register for guarantee and I can’t get there, my local timber and hardware store comes up ever time, whats going on????

  58. HARRY says:

    JUST PURCHASED DUAL RECIPROCATING SAW FROM BUNNINGS HARDWARE STORE AUSTRALIA. FIRST BLADE BROKE BEFORE I GOT TO CUT ANY THING BUT I DID PURCHASE A SPARE FOR $10 WHICH LASTED FOR ONE CUT THROUGH A 1 INCH PIECE OF TIMBER . UNIT GETS VERY HOT TOO. I WILL BE RETURNING THIS TO BUNNINGS . I ALSO NOTICED DUALSAW WEB PAGE HAS GONE. I THINK I KNOW WHY.

    VERDICT — POOR POOR QUALITY TOOL WHICH COULD NOT EVEN MAKE A START ON THE JOB

  59. l a boyers says:

    I bought two at menards for an 86 square standing sean metal roof. Only replced one set of blades. Kept one gave the other to my foreman. Brushes burned on mine. Emailed dualsaw, sent me two sets of brushes free. No cost! Not even shipping. Love this saw for metal roofs, nothing Better. Make some practice cuts.learning curve, worth it!

  60. Jake says:

    This is a bad product, had two of them both did the same thing. Blades DO NOT LOCK VERY WELL. After only a few weeks both saws broke were blade clips in with a small piece of metal. Blade can fly out. Throws a lot if sparks, and vibrates a lot. One case I was using it one of the blade flew out, while the other remained Jammed in the wood. Worst of all mostly cut wood with this tool. Bad sawzall if you can’t count on it to even cut a material as soft as wood.

  61. Bradlee TheDawg says:

    It’s a “severing” tool – period, and it’s no better than a small angle grinder as a severing tool. In fact – a small grinder is probably easier to control. Solution looking for a problem – fail.

  62. peter says:

    On special at Bunnings $50, 2 weeks ago,quick test cut on some colorbond sheeting, very noisy but pretty fast.

  63. mike says:

    I have 3 counter rotating saws and use them daily.As a builder/renovator I find them indespensible.The dualsaw has 5he best cut depth but the Ozito is much lighter and manouverable.All of them need the “safety guard” to be removed as you need three hands if you leave it on. Both brands really tough and standing up well to heavy,professional use.
    My advice pricewise and warranty..Bunnings!

  64. winchycoot says:

    I have found the bunnings version to be excellent spare blades were only $25 but haven’t needed them cut heaps of coldroom sandwich sheet and old custom orb and it worked well as a gouge to shape a stool top easy to control.

  65. Viator Heesacker says:

    Had a DualSaw. Worked fine if you can put up with hot bits of steel hitting you. Problem is that I never found where I can get replacement parts for it. One gear went out, and used it till the second gear went out. That’s how I learned that a 4 1/2 grinder with a brick cutting blade cuts steel. Last a lot longer than a regular cutting blade.

  66. Vishaal says:

    In which shop in Australia, Liverpool can I buy a dual saw from?..

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