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	<title>Comments on: Hot or Not? Harbor Freight Knockout Punches</title>
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		<title>By: fritzgorbach</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2009/06/30/hot-or-not-harbor-freight-knockout-punches/#comment-985629</link>
		<dc:creator>fritzgorbach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 02:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Destroyed two sets of these, boh on the first hole, bboth times the screw broke. How many does the "casual user" need. Just spring for maybe a half and a 3/4 if you really must.
Personally, I have two sets of greenlees,both up to two inch, one fairly new with a ratchet wrench in a nice plastic case(about $250 at home depot) and one fairly old in two leather pouches(5 bucks at a garage sale) and both work great. 
Granted I broke the HFs on a fairly heavy cabinet when i didn't have my greenlees with me, so the HFs might be ok around the home for a few bucks, but why take a chance. Especially if you are working in a hot panel, the last thing you want to do is F'around trying to get the broken punch outta there.
As for HFstep bits, respectfully disagree. I go through about three sets of them a year, where i used to go through one or two sets of irwins, and the HF bits are like seven bucks, compared to better then a hundred for the irwins, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Destroyed two sets of these, boh on the first hole, bboth times the screw broke. How many does the &#8220;casual user&#8221; need. Just spring for maybe a half and a 3/4 if you really must.<br />
Personally, I have two sets of greenlees,both up to two inch, one fairly new with a ratchet wrench in a nice plastic case(about $250 at home depot) and one fairly old in two leather pouches(5 bucks at a garage sale) and both work great.<br />
Granted I broke the HFs on a fairly heavy cabinet when i didn&#8217;t have my greenlees with me, so the HFs might be ok around the home for a few bucks, but why take a chance. Especially if you are working in a hot panel, the last thing you want to do is F&#8217;around trying to get the broken punch outta there.<br />
As for HFstep bits, respectfully disagree. I go through about three sets of them a year, where i used to go through one or two sets of irwins, and the HF bits are like seven bucks, compared to better then a hundred for the irwins, etc.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 14:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Hot or Not? Harbor Freight Knockout Punches The industry standard for knockout punches, Greenlee screw- or hydraulic-actuated two-piece piloted dies are designed to make holes in sheet metal for conduit and instruments. But what about for the weekend warrior or the guy starting out in the trade? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Hot or Not? Harbor Freight Knockout Punches The industry standard for knockout punches, Greenlee screw- or hydraulic-actuated two-piece piloted dies are designed to make holes in sheet metal for conduit and instruments. But what about for the weekend warrior or the guy starting out in the trade? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: heywood</title>
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		<dc:creator>heywood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 00:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>check ebay. you'll find greenlee pretty affordable, and their stuff doesn't suck.

hf's doesn't use decent steel, so the punches might work for a hole or two but then will distort and dull.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>check ebay. you&#8217;ll find greenlee pretty affordable, and their stuff doesn&#8217;t suck.</p>
<p>hf&#8217;s doesn&#8217;t use decent steel, so the punches might work for a hole or two but then will distort and dull.</p>
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		<title>By: MeasureOnceCutTwice</title>
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		<dc:creator>MeasureOnceCutTwice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 00:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All very useful comments, but clearly David Bryan said it the best!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All very useful comments, but clearly David Bryan said it the best!</p>
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		<title>By: David Bryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'd rather eat some metal and try to excrete one than have to use these.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d rather eat some metal and try to excrete one than have to use these.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not. The first time I used my  HF punch it started ok then began digging into the die.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not. The first time I used my  HF punch it started ok then began digging into the die.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Yancey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Yancey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NOT.
I bought the Harbor Freight punch set and I've found it to be terrible.

Now, to be honest, I've not cut conduit holes, but just a mild steel enclosure cover for a vacuum tube project, and I found it took an enormous level of force to complete the hole. I thought I'd never get it out, in fact.

As a comparison, I recently updated that project and I had bought a USED,  single Greenlee punch. I'd already messed up a spare cover, so just to see if I had noodle arms or something, I tried the Greenlee punch just as a test. The one Greenlee punch I have just punched through like butter!

As a side, I also tried Harbor Freight's step-drills. They vibrated so much I thought I'd ruin my drill press. Also, they didn't drill very well to boot. I'm not too impressed with the Harbor Freight stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NOT.<br />
I bought the Harbor Freight punch set and I&#8217;ve found it to be terrible.</p>
<p>Now, to be honest, I&#8217;ve not cut conduit holes, but just a mild steel enclosure cover for a vacuum tube project, and I found it took an enormous level of force to complete the hole. I thought I&#8217;d never get it out, in fact.</p>
<p>As a comparison, I recently updated that project and I had bought a USED,  single Greenlee punch. I&#8217;d already messed up a spare cover, so just to see if I had noodle arms or something, I tried the Greenlee punch just as a test. The one Greenlee punch I have just punched through like butter!</p>
<p>As a side, I also tried Harbor Freight&#8217;s step-drills. They vibrated so much I thought I&#8217;d ruin my drill press. Also, they didn&#8217;t drill very well to boot. I&#8217;m not too impressed with the Harbor Freight stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: ToolGuyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>ToolGuyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had asked around about these, and the consensus is that HF knockouts dull very, very quickly rendering them virtually useless.

I would suggest alternatives such as hole saws or unibits for smaller holes if the cost of Greenlee punches is too high to be a valid consideration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had asked around about these, and the consensus is that HF knockouts dull very, very quickly rendering them virtually useless.</p>
<p>I would suggest alternatives such as hole saws or unibits for smaller holes if the cost of Greenlee punches is too high to be a valid consideration.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Townend</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Townend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hot enough.

I have the set and it works fine.  I also have the Greenlee set (and other single punches) and they are better.  If someone wanted a set and wanted to know if the HF is OK, I would say yes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hot enough.</p>
<p>I have the set and it works fine.  I also have the Greenlee set (and other single punches) and they are better.  If someone wanted a set and wanted to know if the HF is OK, I would say yes.</p>
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