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		<title>By: Toolmonger &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Bosch Full Force Pneumatics Are Now Available</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toolmonger &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Bosch Full Force Pneumatics Are Now Available</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] nailers and an 18-gauge stapler are available at retail outlets nationwide. We mentioned them in a preview post a few months ago and it appears that Bosch has made good on the delivery [...]</description>
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		<title>By: New Bosch Nail Guns: Early Reviews of Full Force Pneumatic Nailer Fastening System from Bosch - ToolCrib.com Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>New Bosch Nail Guns: Early Reviews of Full Force Pneumatic Nailer Fastening System from Bosch - ToolCrib.com Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 23:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Bosch Pneumatic Tools - Full Force New Bosch Pneumatic Tools Bosch Full Force Pneumatic Nail Guns Preview: Bosch Full Force Framing Nailers New Pneumatics from Bosch Bosch&#8217;s New Line Of Pneumatic Tools BoschTools New Pneumatics Line  [...]</description>
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		<title>By: PutnamEco</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2009/04/21/preview-bosch-full-force-framing-nailers/#comment-903364</link>
		<dc:creator>PutnamEco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 15:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re:
Captain Obvious Says: 
It DOESN’T MATTER what “country” something is made in,
 and every one of us knows it:
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It does matter what country something is made, I take it you've never been down sized or outsourced.. Just ask the guys over at the former vice grip plant  in DeWitt Nebraska if it matters where vice grips are produced. If you don't care for more than your own wallet or that YOU get a good tool and could care less whether your fellow countryman has a job or can afford your services, fine go buy that foreign tool.
  Or maybe you need to look at all the reasons they can maximize profits for their corporate parents. No environmental regulation enforcements. They are free to dump all their toxins in our oceans and to emit as many noxious gases as they please into our air. Pollution knows no boundaries.
  Need I mention, their records on treatment and safety of their workers or supporting a government that opposes all the freedoms we enjoy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re:<br />
Captain Obvious Says:<br />
It DOESN’T MATTER what “country” something is made in,<br />
 and every one of us knows it:<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>It does matter what country something is made, I take it you&#8217;ve never been down sized or outsourced.. Just ask the guys over at the former vice grip plant  in DeWitt Nebraska if it matters where vice grips are produced. If you don&#8217;t care for more than your own wallet or that YOU get a good tool and could care less whether your fellow countryman has a job or can afford your services, fine go buy that foreign tool.<br />
  Or maybe you need to look at all the reasons they can maximize profits for their corporate parents. No environmental regulation enforcements. They are free to dump all their toxins in our oceans and to emit as many noxious gases as they please into our air. Pollution knows no boundaries.<br />
  Need I mention, their records on treatment and safety of their workers or supporting a government that opposes all the freedoms we enjoy.</p>
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		<title>By: SLB</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2009/04/21/preview-bosch-full-force-framing-nailers/#comment-903275</link>
		<dc:creator>SLB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 14:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Warranty comparisons:
Bostitch: 7 Years (Limited) - Excludes: Normal Wear Items - Bumpers, driver blades, o-rings, pistons, piston rings, negator springs, air inlet casing.

Hitachi: 5 Years (Limited) - 90 day coverage on driver blade and o-rings
 Does not cover malfunctions resulting from normal wear, neglect, abuse, accident. Excludes normal wear Items - Bumpers, driver blades, o-rings, pistons, piston rings, negator springs, air inlet casing.

Senco: 1-2 Years (Limited) - Excludes: o-rings, seals, and driver blades.
 Senco will replace any tool destroyed by "An act of God" within the normal warranty period.

Paslode: 90 Days (Limited) - Excludes: Bumpers, o-rings, driver blades, and piston rings.

Bosch: 1 Year - Covers ALL components. No exclusions. 1 - Year Warranty, 30 - Day Money Back Guarantee - 1 - Year Service Protection Plan! Bosch will cover ALL normal wear items.

So, as you can see the Bosch Pneumatic line will covered by the "Best Warranty Plan" along with some of the industries best innovations in Pneumatic Nail Guns!

We all know what "Limited" means...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warranty comparisons:<br />
Bostitch: 7 Years (Limited) - Excludes: Normal Wear Items - Bumpers, driver blades, o-rings, pistons, piston rings, negator springs, air inlet casing.</p>
<p>Hitachi: 5 Years (Limited) - 90 day coverage on driver blade and o-rings<br />
 Does not cover malfunctions resulting from normal wear, neglect, abuse, accident. Excludes normal wear Items - Bumpers, driver blades, o-rings, pistons, piston rings, negator springs, air inlet casing.</p>
<p>Senco: 1-2 Years (Limited) - Excludes: o-rings, seals, and driver blades.<br />
 Senco will replace any tool destroyed by &#8220;An act of God&#8221; within the normal warranty period.</p>
<p>Paslode: 90 Days (Limited) - Excludes: Bumpers, o-rings, driver blades, and piston rings.</p>
<p>Bosch: 1 Year - Covers ALL components. No exclusions. 1 - Year Warranty, 30 - Day Money Back Guarantee - 1 - Year Service Protection Plan! Bosch will cover ALL normal wear items.</p>
<p>So, as you can see the Bosch Pneumatic line will covered by the &#8220;Best Warranty Plan&#8221; along with some of the industries best innovations in Pneumatic Nail Guns!</p>
<p>We all know what &#8220;Limited&#8221; means&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: busf</title>
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		<dc:creator>busf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 00:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to my local bosch rep, "the entire line of nail guns are manufactured in Taiwan, to Bosch quality controls."  He also told me the entire team of engineers and managers are based here in the US.  They were designed using feedback from all over the country.

Lets just say I have a good relationship with my local rep.

I have one on order to add to my tool collection, I picked it up for $315.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to my local bosch rep, &#8220;the entire line of nail guns are manufactured in Taiwan, to Bosch quality controls.&#8221;  He also told me the entire team of engineers and managers are based here in the US.  They were designed using feedback from all over the country.</p>
<p>Lets just say I have a good relationship with my local rep.</p>
<p>I have one on order to add to my tool collection, I picked it up for $315.</p>
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		<title>By: Captain Obvious</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2009/04/21/preview-bosch-full-force-framing-nailers/#comment-902129</link>
		<dc:creator>Captain Obvious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 17:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dudes....

It DOESN'T MATTER what "country" something is made in, 
and every one of us knows it:

Have YOU ever worked with a crew that cared about integrity/quality of work, 
in your country?

Have YOU ever worked with a crew that cared ZERO about integrity/quality of work, 
in your country?

http://www.MEC.ca/ has a simple policy:
they employ people, 
in *any* country, 
who are paid fair wages, 
who care about *making* it right, 
and NO-one here can convince me that no-one, 
whatsoever, 
in China, cares about quality work.

IT DEPENDS ON THE CREW, NOT THE COUNTRY.

However, the main reason corporations prefer to employ Chinese/Indians is because they can be paid what, to us, would be dirt, 
and get selling the product for better profit
( or even be *able* to sell, at all, with customers being so 
"I don't care if the makers even WERE paid: I want it cheaper" 
attitude ).

I proudly buy whatever is made right, that I require, 
no matter where it was made, 
and have been burned by makers/workers in every country I've ever 
( indirectly, even ) dealt with.

Including crews I've worked with, or for, in my hometown(s).

If it's Bosch in charge of the making, the process, and the quality-control, I trust it:
no matter where it's made: they value the reputation they earned.

Good work is worthy.  Period.

Cheers,

 - Captain Obvious   (:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dudes&#8230;.</p>
<p>It DOESN&#8217;T MATTER what &#8220;country&#8221; something is made in,<br />
and every one of us knows it:</p>
<p>Have YOU ever worked with a crew that cared about integrity/quality of work,<br />
in your country?</p>
<p>Have YOU ever worked with a crew that cared ZERO about integrity/quality of work,<br />
in your country?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.MEC.ca/" rel="nofollow">http://www.MEC.ca/</a> has a simple policy:<br />
they employ people,<br />
in *any* country,<br />
who are paid fair wages,<br />
who care about *making* it right,<br />
and NO-one here can convince me that no-one,<br />
whatsoever,<br />
in China, cares about quality work.</p>
<p>IT DEPENDS ON THE CREW, NOT THE COUNTRY.</p>
<p>However, the main reason corporations prefer to employ Chinese/Indians is because they can be paid what, to us, would be dirt,<br />
and get selling the product for better profit<br />
( or even be *able* to sell, at all, with customers being so<br />
&#8220;I don&#8217;t care if the makers even WERE paid: I want it cheaper&#8221;<br />
attitude ).</p>
<p>I proudly buy whatever is made right, that I require,<br />
no matter where it was made,<br />
and have been burned by makers/workers in every country I&#8217;ve ever<br />
( indirectly, even ) dealt with.</p>
<p>Including crews I&#8217;ve worked with, or for, in my hometown(s).</p>
<p>If it&#8217;s Bosch in charge of the making, the process, and the quality-control, I trust it:<br />
no matter where it&#8217;s made: they value the reputation they earned.</p>
<p>Good work is worthy.  Period.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p> - Captain Obvious   (:</p>
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		<title>By: fred</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2009/04/21/preview-bosch-full-force-framing-nailers/#comment-899306</link>
		<dc:creator>fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We haven't bought a lot of Bosch power tools lately - buying more from Milwaukee and Makita - but our last few Bosch items had a mixed country-of-origin:

1640VS	FINE-CUT SAW	                                USA
1773AK	CONCRETE SURFACING GRINDER	GERMANY
12524-03	CORDLESS HAMMER DRILL KIT	                MEXICO
1365	14INCH ABRASIVE CUTOFF MACHINE	GERMANY
1775E 	TUCKPOINTER GRINDER	                GERMANY</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We haven&#8217;t bought a lot of Bosch power tools lately - buying more from Milwaukee and Makita - but our last few Bosch items had a mixed country-of-origin:</p>
<p>1640VS	FINE-CUT SAW	                                USA<br />
1773AK	CONCRETE SURFACING GRINDER	GERMANY<br />
12524-03	CORDLESS HAMMER DRILL KIT	                MEXICO<br />
1365	14INCH ABRASIVE CUTOFF MACHINE	GERMANY<br />
1775E 	TUCKPOINTER GRINDER	                GERMANY</p>
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		<title>By: PutnamEco</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2009/04/21/preview-bosch-full-force-framing-nailers/#comment-899176</link>
		<dc:creator>PutnamEco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re:
Jim Says:

  They make awesome stuff, them and festool. But they know they make good tools and charge accordingly
----------------------

I like Bosch stuff too. I will be very disappointed if I have to pay top dollar for something made in China though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re:<br />
Jim Says:</p>
<p>  They make awesome stuff, them and festool. But they know they make good tools and charge accordingly<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>I like Bosch stuff too. I will be very disappointed if I have to pay top dollar for something made in China though.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2009/04/21/preview-bosch-full-force-framing-nailers/#comment-898198</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 23:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@PutnamEco
It's not lighter.  It's smaller.  Two different things, it's actually slightly heavier than another one I looked at.  Which is explained by them using ALL metal except for the trigger.  BUT it is slightly heavier, but more likely than not it's more durable with all metal construction.  I'll probably get it, I love Bosch though.  They make awesome stuff, them and festool.  But they know they make good tools and charge accordingly.  I love having quality tools too much to let price concern me for the most part.  Don't flame me though, I'm not pushing that philosophy on anyone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@PutnamEco<br />
It&#8217;s not lighter.  It&#8217;s smaller.  Two different things, it&#8217;s actually slightly heavier than another one I looked at.  Which is explained by them using ALL metal except for the trigger.  BUT it is slightly heavier, but more likely than not it&#8217;s more durable with all metal construction.  I&#8217;ll probably get it, I love Bosch though.  They make awesome stuff, them and festool.  But they know they make good tools and charge accordingly.  I love having quality tools too much to let price concern me for the most part.  Don&#8217;t flame me though, I&#8217;m not pushing that philosophy on anyone else.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean O'Hara</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2009/04/21/preview-bosch-full-force-framing-nailers/#comment-897905</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean O'Hara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will check on the manufacturing but I can answer the nail question. The entire lineup when they are out including the framing guns will take anyone's standard fasteners. Bosch has no plans to enter into the fastener market from what they told us time and time again at the event.

I can also tell you that being too light was something they took into account when designing the gun with framers who are going to use it all day in mind. Plus they did a great deal of user testing in the field with it to get the weight right. I thought it felt good. Not being a pro framer myself though [shrug] I can't speak for the guys that might use it 10 hours a day... at least not till we get our hands on one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will check on the manufacturing but I can answer the nail question. The entire lineup when they are out including the framing guns will take anyone&#8217;s standard fasteners. Bosch has no plans to enter into the fastener market from what they told us time and time again at the event.</p>
<p>I can also tell you that being too light was something they took into account when designing the gun with framers who are going to use it all day in mind. Plus they did a great deal of user testing in the field with it to get the weight right. I thought it felt good. Not being a pro framer myself though [shrug] I can&#8217;t speak for the guys that might use it 10 hours a day&#8230; at least not till we get our hands on one.</p>
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		<title>By: PutnamEco</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2009/04/21/preview-bosch-full-force-framing-nailers/#comment-897897</link>
		<dc:creator>PutnamEco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you happen to notice where they where manufactured? Not China I hope.
Does it use regularly available  nails or will they use their own proprietary nails?

Being lighter, I wonder if recoil will become a problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you happen to notice where they where manufactured? Not China I hope.<br />
Does it use regularly available  nails or will they use their own proprietary nails?</p>
<p>Being lighter, I wonder if recoil will become a problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Barri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Same here. Just purchase what does the job best. Makita Framing nailer, Paslode angled Finish nailer, Makita straight finish nailer and Bostitch floor nailers. Cant say i ever had a problem with the makita and power. The Bosch looks very much like my makita frame nailer to be honest. But at double what i paid for my Makita will it sell?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same here. Just purchase what does the job best. Makita Framing nailer, Paslode angled Finish nailer, Makita straight finish nailer and Bostitch floor nailers. Cant say i ever had a problem with the makita and power. The Bosch looks very much like my makita frame nailer to be honest. But at double what i paid for my Makita will it sell?</p>
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		<title>By: fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There ia already lots of buzz about this new lineup. Time will tell - but the newer smaller tool size should be good.
We've never stuck to one brand - buying what we thought had an edge for a particular tool -  with each new purchase - se we've ended up with Bostitch, Hitachi, Makita, Grex, Porter-Cable, Paslode, Senco and others in our boxes. Will probably add a Bosch or two now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There ia already lots of buzz about this new lineup. Time will tell - but the newer smaller tool size should be good.<br />
We&#8217;ve never stuck to one brand - buying what we thought had an edge for a particular tool -  with each new purchase - se we&#8217;ve ended up with Bostitch, Hitachi, Makita, Grex, Porter-Cable, Paslode, Senco and others in our boxes. Will probably add a Bosch or two now.</p>
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