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		<title>By: Old Donn</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2009/01/14/source-grassroots-motorsports/#comment-767949</link>
		<dc:creator>Old Donn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 13:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Toolie, one more thing. 4 wheel disc brakes, IRS, 48-52 weight distribution. Might be 40 year old tech, but it seems everybody's still using it. I assume your machine's re-fitted with after market brakes, suspension, tires, engine mods etc. Mine's still showroom stock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toolie, one more thing. 4 wheel disc brakes, IRS, 48-52 weight distribution. Might be 40 year old tech, but it seems everybody&#8217;s still using it. I assume your machine&#8217;s re-fitted with after market brakes, suspension, tires, engine mods etc. Mine&#8217;s still showroom stock.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Donn</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2009/01/14/source-grassroots-motorsports/#comment-763105</link>
		<dc:creator>Old Donn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 23:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, Toolie, I knew I'd get a rise out of ya. Just wanted to see if you were paying attention. No offense meant, it's all good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, Toolie, I knew I&#8217;d get a rise out of ya. Just wanted to see if you were paying attention. No offense meant, it&#8217;s all good.</p>
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		<title>By: Toolaremia</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2009/01/14/source-grassroots-motorsports/#comment-762540</link>
		<dc:creator>Toolaremia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 18:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Old Donn, don't get me wrong, that's a killer 'Vette. I own a couple of V8s, and Corvettes were my first love. Then I learned how to steer. ;-)

But first corner we come to, you lose. Second corner we come to, you're in the shrubbery when your brakes melt. The 'Vette has heavy suspension, small brakes, vague steering, and outweighs the Miata by probably 1500 lbs.  State-of-the-art... 41 years ago.  

For an illustration of the importance of weight vs. horsepower, watch &lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huyYlyMooSY" rel="nofollow"&gt;this video&lt;/a&gt; of a 500 HP M5 vs. a 230 HP RX-8.  Both are driven by professional driving instructors.  The M5 can't get away despite more than twice the horsepower.


P.S. The Corvette love affair was rekindled when they came out with the ZO6 and turned into burning lust when they reintroduced the ZR1. Even with the goofy window in the hood...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Old Donn, don&#8217;t get me wrong, that&#8217;s a killer &#8216;Vette. I own a couple of V8s, and Corvettes were my first love. Then I learned how to steer. <img src='http://toolmonger.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But first corner we come to, you lose. Second corner we come to, you&#8217;re in the shrubbery when your brakes melt. The &#8216;Vette has heavy suspension, small brakes, vague steering, and outweighs the Miata by probably 1500 lbs.  State-of-the-art&#8230; 41 years ago.  </p>
<p>For an illustration of the importance of weight vs. horsepower, watch <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huyYlyMooSY" rel="nofollow">this video</a> of a 500 HP M5 vs. a 230 HP RX-8.  Both are driven by professional driving instructors.  The M5 can&#8217;t get away despite more than twice the horsepower.</p>
<p>P.S. The Corvette love affair was rekindled when they came out with the ZO6 and turned into burning lust when they reintroduced the ZR1. Even with the goofy window in the hood&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2009/01/14/source-grassroots-motorsports/#comment-760922</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 03:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zathrus: thanks for proving his point. The general public indeed *doesn't* have a clue nor know how to drive fast :)

Old Donn: Unless your Vette has a seriously upgraded suspension and brakes, I'd take the Miata on a twisty track without room for the bigger motor to show its stuff. The Miata probably weighs 1000 lbs less and certainly handles better in showroom trim than a '67 Vette does, but would obviously lose a drag race quite handily.

cl</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zathrus: thanks for proving his point. The general public indeed *doesn&#8217;t* have a clue nor know how to drive fast <img src='http://toolmonger.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Old Donn: Unless your Vette has a seriously upgraded suspension and brakes, I&#8217;d take the Miata on a twisty track without room for the bigger motor to show its stuff. The Miata probably weighs 1000 lbs less and certainly handles better in showroom trim than a &#8216;67 Vette does, but would obviously lose a drag race quite handily.</p>
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		<title>By: Zathrus</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2009/01/14/source-grassroots-motorsports/#comment-760865</link>
		<dc:creator>Zathrus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 03:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Toolaremia, if you like the Miata, fine. But it is viewed by the general public as a "chick car". Just google for "chick car" and the results are self-evident.

That said, I think the funniest list is from http://www.cargurus.com/blog/2009/01/09/guys-are-you-driving-a-chick-car/ (never visited their blog before, but the Miata bit was hilarious).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toolaremia, if you like the Miata, fine. But it is viewed by the general public as a &#8220;chick car&#8221;. Just google for &#8220;chick car&#8221; and the results are self-evident.</p>
<p>That said, I think the funniest list is from <a href="http://www.cargurus.com/blog/2009/01/09/guys-are-you-driving-a-chick-car/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cargurus.com/blog/2009/01/09/guys-are-you-driving-a-chick-car/</a> (never visited their blog before, but the Miata bit was hilarious).</p>
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		<title>By: Old Donn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old Donn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 23:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aside to Toolaremia, 67 Vette, L-79 small block, close ratio 4-speed, 3.70 posi. Unless we race in a kiddie swimming pool, I'm outta sight before you're out of second.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aside to Toolaremia, 67 Vette, L-79 small block, close ratio 4-speed, 3.70 posi. Unless we race in a kiddie swimming pool, I&#8217;m outta sight before you&#8217;re out of second.</p>
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		<title>By: Toolaremia</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2009/01/14/source-grassroots-motorsports/#comment-759998</link>
		<dc:creator>Toolaremia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 17:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anybody who thinks a Miata is a "chick car" hasn't got a clue and doesn't know how to drive fast.  (Except maybe in a straight line.) I guarantee after one 20 minute session on-track with me or one of &lt;a href="http://www.scca.com/ImageLibrary/topimage/300.jpg" rel="nofollow"&gt;my friends&lt;/a&gt;, they will either be wetting their pants in sheer terror or asking where they can get one. 

By the way, &lt;b&gt;Playboy&lt;/b&gt; is sponsoring the 2009 &lt;a href="http://www.scca.com/contentpage.aspx?content=67" rel="nofollow"&gt;Mazda MX-5 Miata Cup&lt;/a&gt; professional racing series. That'll bring lots of "chicks" around... ;-)

And, GRM regularly covers making Mustangs, Camaros, Corvettes, and more go fast. Though it's true I don't ever recall seeing a Chevelle...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anybody who thinks a Miata is a &#8220;chick car&#8221; hasn&#8217;t got a clue and doesn&#8217;t know how to drive fast.  (Except maybe in a straight line.) I guarantee after one 20 minute session on-track with me or one of <a href="http://www.scca.com/ImageLibrary/topimage/300.jpg" rel="nofollow">my friends</a>, they will either be wetting their pants in sheer terror or asking where they can get one. </p>
<p>By the way, <b>Playboy</b> is sponsoring the 2009 <a href="http://www.scca.com/contentpage.aspx?content=67" rel="nofollow">Mazda MX-5 Miata Cup</a> professional racing series. That&#8217;ll bring lots of &#8220;chicks&#8221; around&#8230; <img src='http://toolmonger.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>And, GRM regularly covers making Mustangs, Camaros, Corvettes, and more go fast. Though it&#8217;s true I don&#8217;t ever recall seeing a Chevelle&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: chris devine</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2009/01/14/source-grassroots-motorsports/#comment-756859</link>
		<dc:creator>chris devine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 21:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GRM is pretty cool, But I'm more of a fan of their sister magazine, Classic motorsports</description>
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		<title>By: Old Donn</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2009/01/14/source-grassroots-motorsports/#comment-755344</link>
		<dc:creator>Old Donn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 20:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aside to Adam R. That episode was on this morning. That one's definitely a horse of a different color. Power like that in a Miata would be a handful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aside to Adam R. That episode was on this morning. That one&#8217;s definitely a horse of a different color. Power like that in a Miata would be a handful.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam R</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2009/01/14/source-grassroots-motorsports/#comment-755257</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 16:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Old Donn 

I will agree, most Miatas are chick cars. This one is not.

http://www.gearztv.com/?em2048=191129_-1__0_~0_-1_1_2009_0_0&#38;content=projects&#38;em2463=&#38;ek=191129</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Old Donn </p>
<p>I will agree, most Miatas are chick cars. This one is not.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.gearztv.com/?em2048=191129_-1__0_~0_-1_1_2009_0_0&amp;content=projects&amp;em2463=&amp;ek=191129" rel="nofollow">http://www.gearztv.com/?em2048=191129_-1__0_~0_-1_1_2009_0_0&amp;content=projects&amp;em2463=&amp;ek=191129</a></p>
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		<title>By: Old Donn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old Donn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 22:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, we're talking sports-imports. I guess I forgot about that community. Classics automatically make me think Mustang, Road Runner, Chevelle SS etc. Oh yeah, no offense Chuck, but a Miata IS a chic car.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, we&#8217;re talking sports-imports. I guess I forgot about that community. Classics automatically make me think Mustang, Road Runner, Chevelle SS etc. Oh yeah, no offense Chuck, but a Miata IS a chic car.</p>
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		<title>By: toolaremia</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2009/01/14/source-grassroots-motorsports/#comment-753589</link>
		<dc:creator>toolaremia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What berettaguy said!  

I was introduced to GRM by a buddy in about 1990 when I lived in Satellite Beach. It was the "Go racing now, cheap" issue with a guy holding "Will race for food" sign on the front. It's the issue that convinced me to buy my first RX-7 to go autocrossing. I've been a subscriber ever since. 

I'm one of the reasons they did the 10 year subscriptions.  I kept pestering them for a lifetime subscription. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What berettaguy said!  </p>
<p>I was introduced to GRM by a buddy in about 1990 when I lived in Satellite Beach. It was the &#8220;Go racing now, cheap&#8221; issue with a guy holding &#8220;Will race for food&#8221; sign on the front. It&#8217;s the issue that convinced me to buy my first RX-7 to go autocrossing. I&#8217;ve been a subscriber ever since. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m one of the reasons they did the 10 year subscriptions.  I kept pestering them for a lifetime subscription. <img src='http://toolmonger.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: berettaguy</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2009/01/14/source-grassroots-motorsports/#comment-753338</link>
		<dc:creator>berettaguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GRM is the BEST MAGAZINE EVER!
(owner of two 10 year subscriptions)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GRM is the BEST MAGAZINE EVER!<br />
(owner of two 10 year subscriptions)</p>
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		<title>By: Baxter</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2009/01/14/source-grassroots-motorsports/#comment-751182</link>
		<dc:creator>Baxter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KMR, you need to see another issue. Try one on us, no charge, no obligation:

http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/try/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KMR, you need to see another issue. Try one on us, no charge, no obligation:</p>
<p><a href="http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/try/" rel="nofollow">http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/try/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Cage</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2009/01/14/source-grassroots-motorsports/#comment-751101</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck Cage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 22:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny -- I mentioned these guys once before in 2007 and received a really positive reaction. (I'd forgotten this until I went digging for my copy of the issue pictured above, realized that I'd finally thrown it out with dozens of other mag back issues that were clogging up my office, then went looking for it online and found my other post. Oops.)

@Old Donn: I hear where you're coming from, but FWIW, the issues I dug out of the trash show a different trend. Of the 12 issues I hadn't taken to the curb yet, eight of 'em had pictures of cars under $20k on the cover (three were gen 1 and 2 Miatas), one was a drift car, one a Porsche race car, and one was Adam Carolla standing by the open hood of his restored Datsun 510 (which I'm pretty sure cost more than $20k, but still seems like a sweet story in my book). Inside I see articles on project cars like an old BMW E30, MR2, Sentra SE-R, and 'Vette, and lots of articles on the nuts-and-bolts of making stuff run.

And I agree wholeheartedly re: Barrett-Jackson. What I enjoy about GRM is that they do a good job of thinking like I do -- looking for something that's not "classic" to anyone else, but means a lot to me personally. For example, I don't own an MGA. (I used to, but let it go because I couldn't afford to restore it properly.) 

I do, however, own a first-gen ('93) Miata which gives a lot of the same enjoyment at a dramatically-reduced price. (Thankfully most guys think of 'em as "chick cars" so the price remains low! Clearly they've never autocrossed.) The Porsche 944S2 meant a lot to me because when I was in high school I dressed up like my Dad and managed to convince the local Porsche dealer to let me drive one by myself. I bought a basket-case for a couple grand a few years ago and (with lots of help from Sean and other Toolmonger friends) turned it into my still-not-excessively-valuable-but-lots-of-fun-for-me daily driver. So the GRM stuff that catches my eye is, for example, their 2005 article running down how to buy C4 'Vettes. One of those is on my list, and they're almost into my price range. 

@KMR: Sorry you had a bad experience. Maybe the article I wrote for 'em back around that time covering the One Lap of Florida was the bad stuff you saw. I'll admit it isn't my finest work. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny &#8212; I mentioned these guys once before in 2007 and received a really positive reaction. (I&#8217;d forgotten this until I went digging for my copy of the issue pictured above, realized that I&#8217;d finally thrown it out with dozens of other mag back issues that were clogging up my office, then went looking for it online and found my other post. Oops.)</p>
<p>@Old Donn: I hear where you&#8217;re coming from, but FWIW, the issues I dug out of the trash show a different trend. Of the 12 issues I hadn&#8217;t taken to the curb yet, eight of &#8216;em had pictures of cars under $20k on the cover (three were gen 1 and 2 Miatas), one was a drift car, one a Porsche race car, and one was Adam Carolla standing by the open hood of his restored Datsun 510 (which I&#8217;m pretty sure cost more than $20k, but still seems like a sweet story in my book). Inside I see articles on project cars like an old BMW E30, MR2, Sentra SE-R, and &#8216;Vette, and lots of articles on the nuts-and-bolts of making stuff run.</p>
<p>And I agree wholeheartedly re: Barrett-Jackson. What I enjoy about GRM is that they do a good job of thinking like I do &#8212; looking for something that&#8217;s not &#8220;classic&#8221; to anyone else, but means a lot to me personally. For example, I don&#8217;t own an MGA. (I used to, but let it go because I couldn&#8217;t afford to restore it properly.) </p>
<p>I do, however, own a first-gen (&#8217;93) Miata which gives a lot of the same enjoyment at a dramatically-reduced price. (Thankfully most guys think of &#8216;em as &#8220;chick cars&#8221; so the price remains low! Clearly they&#8217;ve never autocrossed.) The Porsche 944S2 meant a lot to me because when I was in high school I dressed up like my Dad and managed to convince the local Porsche dealer to let me drive one by myself. I bought a basket-case for a couple grand a few years ago and (with lots of help from Sean and other Toolmonger friends) turned it into my still-not-excessively-valuable-but-lots-of-fun-for-me daily driver. So the GRM stuff that catches my eye is, for example, their 2005 article running down how to buy C4 &#8216;Vettes. One of those is on my list, and they&#8217;re almost into my price range. </p>
<p>@KMR: Sorry you had a bad experience. Maybe the article I wrote for &#8216;em back around that time covering the One Lap of Florida was the bad stuff you saw. I&#8217;ll admit it isn&#8217;t my finest work. <img src='http://toolmonger.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: KMR</title>
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		<dc:creator>KMR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 21:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven't read GRM in the last few years, but I don't rate it highly.

Content is advertiser biased, always has been since the first issue I read in 1992.  Technical content, specifically things like tire tests, lack valuable data like cornering G and things that would be nice to know.  

Nothing special about the magazine in my opinion at all, just a bunch of guys who figured out how to turn thier weekend hobby into a glossy magazine... with little care or desire for actually developing a quality magazine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t read GRM in the last few years, but I don&#8217;t rate it highly.</p>
<p>Content is advertiser biased, always has been since the first issue I read in 1992.  Technical content, specifically things like tire tests, lack valuable data like cornering G and things that would be nice to know.  </p>
<p>Nothing special about the magazine in my opinion at all, just a bunch of guys who figured out how to turn thier weekend hobby into a glossy magazine&#8230; with little care or desire for actually developing a quality magazine.</p>
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		<title>By: Blind</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GRM is a really god magazine. Last issue I picked up and read was covering a $2008 challenge where every car entered had to cost less than that (minus labor).  It had basic little momentum racers to corvettes wtih vaccuums pulling them to the road.  It's one of the better car mags I've ever read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GRM is a really god magazine. Last issue I picked up and read was covering a $2008 challenge where every car entered had to cost less than that (minus labor).  It had basic little momentum racers to corvettes wtih vaccuums pulling them to the road.  It&#8217;s one of the better car mags I&#8217;ve ever read.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Donn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old Donn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A grassroots publication with a prepped Viper coupe on the cover? Not exactly a barn find, back yard fixer upper. Deals on classics? Not since Barrett-Jackson. Anyone with a car over 25 years old thinks they're sitting on their 401k.</description>
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