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		<title>By: txinkman</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2008/10/01/flickr-pool-black-and-decker-box/#comment-599212</link>
		<dc:creator>txinkman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 20:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow Doc, more than I could have posssibly wished for.  Really great pics!! And you have a very impressive web site.  Thanks, I'll contact you soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow Doc, more than I could have posssibly wished for.  Really great pics!! And you have a very impressive web site.  Thanks, I&#8217;ll contact you soon.</p>
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		<title>By: DocN</title>
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		<dc:creator>DocN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 23:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure thing. Pix here:
http://www.docsmachine.com/images/box1.jpg
There's seven images, box1.jpg through box7.jpg

My set's incomplete and the box is in bad shape. Hey, if you want to do some mods and restoration, I'll swap ya. :)

Anyway, the ribbed doodad in #4 screws to the tapered grinding stones seen in #6. You then put the guide rods from #5 into the valve guide in the cylinder head, and spin the stone and ribbed bit using the motor. The two red bits seen inside in #2 and on the top in #7, are the dresser. They bolt together and using a diamond bit, let you dress the stones down to the correct angle.

I got this set along with a Van Dorn No.6 "Universal Valve and Tool Grinder", shown here partly refurbished:
http://www.docsmachine.com/machineshop/vandorn12.jpg

I have a 1941 Van Dorn catalog that doesn't list the No.6 grinder, and a 1951 catalog that does, but doesn't say anything like "New!" or "Latest model!", etc. So I'm guessing the machine dates to roughly 1945 to 1948 or so, give or take a year.

The seat grinder was sold separately: both catalogs show essentially the same kit and wooden box, but the 1941 catalog shows the two round "pinch" pulls, while the 1951 catalog shows the drawers with small, rectangular drawer pulls. Neither shows the box with the lid closed, so I can't tell if there's any difference in the nameplate.

(I was mistaken on mine- it has a "Van Dorn" nametag the same size and placement as yours. I'd had the box sitting facing the wall so long, I'd forgotten. :) 

Oh, and just for the sake of the argument, here's a closeup of the ID plate of the No.6 Grinder:
http://www.docsmachine.com/machineshop/vandorn2.jpg

Note at the very bottom, where it says Van Dorn is a division of the Black &#38; Decker Company. If you can find out just when Van Dorn stopped being VD and everything started having the B&#38;D name, you'd have a better idea of the age of the box. Although, as i said, my '51 catalog shows different drawer pulls, and it's still in a Van Dorn catalog...

Feel free to drop me an E-mail if you have any other questions, or need more pix. (These are reduced for upload, I have the hi-rez originals too.) And let me know if you learn anything more on the history.

Doc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure thing. Pix here:<br />
<a href="http://www.docsmachine.com/images/box1.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.docsmachine.com/images/box1.jpg</a><br />
There&#8217;s seven images, box1.jpg through box7.jpg</p>
<p>My set&#8217;s incomplete and the box is in bad shape. Hey, if you want to do some mods and restoration, I&#8217;ll swap ya. <img src='http://toolmonger.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Anyway, the ribbed doodad in #4 screws to the tapered grinding stones seen in #6. You then put the guide rods from #5 into the valve guide in the cylinder head, and spin the stone and ribbed bit using the motor. The two red bits seen inside in #2 and on the top in #7, are the dresser. They bolt together and using a diamond bit, let you dress the stones down to the correct angle.</p>
<p>I got this set along with a Van Dorn No.6 &#8220;Universal Valve and Tool Grinder&#8221;, shown here partly refurbished:<br />
<a href="http://www.docsmachine.com/machineshop/vandorn12.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.docsmachine.com/machineshop/vandorn12.jpg</a></p>
<p>I have a 1941 Van Dorn catalog that doesn&#8217;t list the No.6 grinder, and a 1951 catalog that does, but doesn&#8217;t say anything like &#8220;New!&#8221; or &#8220;Latest model!&#8221;, etc. So I&#8217;m guessing the machine dates to roughly 1945 to 1948 or so, give or take a year.</p>
<p>The seat grinder was sold separately: both catalogs show essentially the same kit and wooden box, but the 1941 catalog shows the two round &#8220;pinch&#8221; pulls, while the 1951 catalog shows the drawers with small, rectangular drawer pulls. Neither shows the box with the lid closed, so I can&#8217;t tell if there&#8217;s any difference in the nameplate.</p>
<p>(I was mistaken on mine- it has a &#8220;Van Dorn&#8221; nametag the same size and placement as yours. I&#8217;d had the box sitting facing the wall so long, I&#8217;d forgotten. <img src='http://toolmonger.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Oh, and just for the sake of the argument, here&#8217;s a closeup of the ID plate of the No.6 Grinder:<br />
<a href="http://www.docsmachine.com/machineshop/vandorn2.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.docsmachine.com/machineshop/vandorn2.jpg</a></p>
<p>Note at the very bottom, where it says Van Dorn is a division of the Black &amp; Decker Company. If you can find out just when Van Dorn stopped being VD and everything started having the B&amp;D name, you&#8217;d have a better idea of the age of the box. Although, as i said, my &#8216;51 catalog shows different drawer pulls, and it&#8217;s still in a Van Dorn catalog&#8230;</p>
<p>Feel free to drop me an E-mail if you have any other questions, or need more pix. (These are reduced for upload, I have the hi-rez originals too.) And let me know if you learn anything more on the history.</p>
<p>Doc.</p>
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		<title>By: txinkman</title>
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		<dc:creator>txinkman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 13:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I knew that Toolmonger was the right place to find out about this box. Any possibility of some pictures of your boxes and their contents?  And do you guys have any idea about how old your sets are?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I knew that Toolmonger was the right place to find out about this box. Any possibility of some pictures of your boxes and their contents?  And do you guys have any idea about how old your sets are?</p>
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		<title>By: DocN</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 10:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ditto BobH. I have a Van Dorn valve seat grinding set in a nearly identical box. No plaque on the box, though, and mine's considerably more beat up. 

Van Dorn was a division of, or owned by, Black and Decker.

Doc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ditto BobH. I have a Van Dorn valve seat grinding set in a nearly identical box. No plaque on the box, though, and mine&#8217;s considerably more beat up. </p>
<p>Van Dorn was a division of, or owned by, Black and Decker.</p>
<p>Doc.</p>
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		<title>By: BobH</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 00:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thats the box a B&#38;D valve seat grinding outfit came in. I've got one just like it.</description>
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