Comments on: The Vital “Survival” Stove http://toolmonger.com/2008/08/21/the-vital-survival-stove/ All tools. All the time. Your source for news, information, and reviews of hand tools, power tools, and tools of all kinds. Sun, 22 Nov 2009 11:12:12 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Eli http://toolmonger.com/2008/08/21/the-vital-survival-stove/#comment-460768 Eli Fri, 22 Aug 2008 21:42:06 +0000 http://toolmonger.com/?p=11445#comment-460768 I like the Trangia. Really simple and bombproof. I like the Trangia. Really simple and bombproof.

]]> By: PutnamEco http://toolmonger.com/2008/08/21/the-vital-survival-stove/#comment-457381 PutnamEco Fri, 22 Aug 2008 04:29:48 +0000 http://toolmonger.com/?p=11445#comment-457381 The Vapore Pump is the size of an altoid and does not require any pressurized tank. Picture a two ounce stove with the output of a modern white gas pressurized stove. add the htp and the three w to natick.army.mil/about/pao/05/05-27.htm memagazine.org/backissues/membersonly/aug04/features/kitsink/kitsink.html or google capillary force vaporizer The Vapore Pump is the size of an altoid and does not require any pressurized tank. Picture a two ounce stove with the output of a modern white gas pressurized stove.

add the htp and the three w to

natick.army.mil/about/pao/05/05-27.htm

memagazine.org/backissues/membersonly/aug04/features/kitsink/kitsink.html

or google capillary force vaporizer

]]> By: jim http://toolmonger.com/2008/08/21/the-vital-survival-stove/#comment-456769 jim Fri, 22 Aug 2008 01:22:18 +0000 http://toolmonger.com/?p=11445#comment-456769 I swear by (and occasionally at) my old Primus white gas stove - no pumping, just spill a little gas in a depression on the top of the tank. The heat from burning the spilled gas gets the pressure up, and normal cooking keeps it up after that. I swear by (and occasionally at) my old Primus white gas stove - no pumping, just spill a little gas in a depression on the top of the tank. The heat from burning the spilled gas gets the pressure up, and normal cooking keeps it up after that.

]]> By: Pablo http://toolmonger.com/2008/08/21/the-vital-survival-stove/#comment-456661 Pablo Fri, 22 Aug 2008 00:52:05 +0000 http://toolmonger.com/?p=11445#comment-456661 Svea makes some neat stoves which are based on designs dating back to the late 1800's. The Svea 123 is a very simple and compact brass stove which self-pressurizes with heat from the stove--no pump to break. For a modern compact stove setup, the Jetboil PCS is a great system which stows into an integral mug. These are both on the compact/packable side and good for 1-2 people. Svea makes some neat stoves which are based on designs dating back to the late 1800’s. The Svea 123 is a very simple and compact brass stove which self-pressurizes with heat from the stove–no pump to break.

For a modern compact stove setup, the Jetboil PCS is a great system which stows into an integral mug.

These are both on the compact/packable side and good for 1-2 people.

]]> By: PutnamEco http://toolmonger.com/2008/08/21/the-vital-survival-stove/#comment-456392 PutnamEco Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:25:32 +0000 http://toolmonger.com/?p=11445#comment-456392 Spam bot is most annoying not letting me post links. So this is a repost minus the links you may have found interesting. Looks like an improvement over the Sierra stove. The fan assist gives it a edge over stoves like the pocket cooker. For another option look into woodgas.com The real improvement to wood burners come from inverted downdraft gasifier technology. My personal favorite is the Swosthee stove. (there would have been a link, to both a description of the swosthee and an explantion of wood gasifying stoves in general) People have even run vehicles on wood gas. (there would have been a youtube link here if it the spam bot didn't censor) I'll always have a soft spot for the simplicity of the Kelly kettle. There has been a lot of talk about Vapore Inc. capillary action pump. This is a white gas tech that would work with out having to be pumped up first. MSR seems to be doing something with them.. (and here I would have put some links to Vapore's pumps page and an engineering site that had a write up on MSRs new stove and a link to Natick soldier center stove page) Spam bot is most annoying not letting me post links. So this is a repost minus the links you may have found interesting.

Looks like an improvement over the Sierra stove. The fan assist gives it a edge over stoves like the pocket cooker. For another option look into woodgas.com
The real improvement to wood burners come from inverted downdraft gasifier technology.
My personal favorite is the Swosthee stove. (there would have been a link, to both a description of the swosthee and an explantion of wood gasifying stoves in general)

People have even run vehicles on wood gas.
(there would have been a youtube link here if it the spam bot didn’t censor)

I’ll always have a soft spot for the simplicity of the Kelly kettle.

There has been a lot of talk about Vapore Inc. capillary action pump. This is a white gas tech that would work with out having to be pumped up first. MSR seems to be doing something with them..
(and here I would have put some links to Vapore’s pumps page and an engineering site that had a write up on MSRs new stove and a link to Natick soldier center stove page)

]]> By: PutnamEco http://toolmonger.com/2008/08/21/the-vital-survival-stove/#comment-456312 PutnamEco Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:00:21 +0000 http://toolmonger.com/?p=11445#comment-456312 Looks like an improvement over the Sierra stove. The fan assist gives it a edge over stoves like the pocket cooker. The real improvement to wood burners come from inverted downdraft gasifier technology. My personal favorite is the Swosthee stove. You can even run vehicles with wood gas. hXXp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG8iR5DRLpw I'll always have a soft spot for the simplicity of the Kelly kettle. There has been a lot of talk about Vapore Inc. capillary action pump for small stoves. This is a white gas tech that would work with out having to be pumped up first. MSR seems to be doing something with them.. hXXp://www.memagazine.org/contents/current/features/kitsink/kitsink.html hXXp://www.vapore.com/applications_energy_2.html Looks like an improvement over the Sierra stove. The fan assist gives it a edge over stoves like the pocket cooker. The real improvement to wood burners come from inverted downdraft gasifier technology.
My personal favorite is the Swosthee stove.

You can even run vehicles with wood gas.
hXXp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG8iR5DRLpw

I’ll always have a soft spot for the simplicity of the Kelly kettle.

There has been a lot of talk about Vapore Inc. capillary action pump for small stoves. This is a white gas tech that would work with out having to be pumped up first. MSR seems to be doing something with them..

hXXp://www.memagazine.org/contents/current/features/kitsink/kitsink.html
hXXp://www.vapore.com/applications_energy_2.html

]]> By: fred http://toolmonger.com/2008/08/21/the-vital-survival-stove/#comment-455898 fred Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:52:19 +0000 http://toolmonger.com/?p=11445#comment-455898 There is a whole Blog devoted to biomass stoves: http://improvedstoves.blogspot.com/ Having taught stove use to boyscouts and scouters for many years - I found that fan-assisted biomass stoves were OK in mild weather - and when your expectations about how much and how fast they could cook (boil wtare etc.) were not too demading. I liked gasoline stoves made by folks like MSR, Primus/Optimus and others for really cold weather, mixed-fuel (butane/propane mix) for moderately cold weather - and propane stoves for mild weather and base camps. Folks like REI and Campmor have many varieties to choose from - and small backpacking stove technology seems to improve all the time. There is a whole Blog devoted to biomass stoves:

http://improvedstoves.blogspot.com/

Having taught stove use to boyscouts and scouters for many years - I found that fan-assisted biomass stoves were OK in mild weather - and when your expectations about how much and how fast they could cook (boil wtare etc.) were not too demading.

I liked gasoline stoves made by folks like MSR, Primus/Optimus and others for really cold weather, mixed-fuel (butane/propane mix) for moderately cold weather - and propane stoves for mild weather and base camps.

Folks like REI and Campmor have many varieties to choose from - and small backpacking stove technology seems to improve all the time.

]]> By: jimmy http://toolmonger.com/2008/08/21/the-vital-survival-stove/#comment-455736 jimmy Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:01:09 +0000 http://toolmonger.com/?p=11445#comment-455736 I prefer the foldable pocket cooker (same basic concept) for $12: http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=288270 I prefer the foldable pocket cooker (same basic concept) for $12:
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=288270

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