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	<title>Comments on: Cheap-Ass Tools: Beaver Saw Drill</title>
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		<title>by: Fred</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2008/03/19/cheap-ass-tools-beaver-saw-drill/#comment-260153</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Re SuperJdynamite Says: 

Your'e absolutely right about old construction.
I have a demo sub who typically deals with the issue - so my crews usually start with bare walls on a remodel  or build the walls on an addition - but I sometimes need to do some more surgical work. We use Fluke  Low Vott Alert (1LAC-A) which sees most anything.</description>
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<p>Your&#8217;e absolutely right about old construction.<br />
I have a demo sub who typically deals with the issue - so my crews usually start with bare walls on a remodel  or build the walls on an addition - but I sometimes need to do some more surgical work. We use Fluke  Low Vott Alert (1LAC-A) which sees most anything.
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		<title>by: SuperJdynamite</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2008/03/19/cheap-ass-tools-beaver-saw-drill/#comment-260110</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 17:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://toolmonger.com/2008/03/19/cheap-ass-tools-beaver-saw-drill/#comment-260110</guid>
					<description>&quot;Anyone used a Rotozip bit in a drill? Any reason why you couldn’t?&quot;

Never tried it, but the &quot;pitch&quot; of the rotozip cutting edge is much steeper and reflects that it's designed to be used at high speed.  I think that once chucked into a relatively slow hand drill it wouldn't cut all that well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Anyone used a Rotozip bit in a drill? Any reason why you couldn’t?&#8221;</p>
<p>Never tried it, but the &#8220;pitch&#8221; of the rotozip cutting edge is much steeper and reflects that it&#8217;s designed to be used at high speed.  I think that once chucked into a relatively slow hand drill it wouldn&#8217;t cut all that well.
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		<title>by: SuperJdynamite</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2008/03/19/cheap-ass-tools-beaver-saw-drill/#comment-260109</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 17:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://toolmonger.com/2008/03/19/cheap-ass-tools-beaver-saw-drill/#comment-260109</guid>
					<description>&quot;hmmmm… cant wait until somone uses this to remove old drywall and cuts right into some onld wire….&quot;

This is a problem no matter what tool you're using to cut into drywall.  It's a good idea to sweep the area with an AC sensor if you're unsure what's behind the wall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;hmmmm… cant wait until somone uses this to remove old drywall and cuts right into some onld wire….&#8221;</p>
<p>This is a problem no matter what tool you&#8217;re using to cut into drywall.  It&#8217;s a good idea to sweep the area with an AC sensor if you&#8217;re unsure what&#8217;s behind the wall.
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		<title>by: Fred</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2008/03/19/cheap-ass-tools-beaver-saw-drill/#comment-260076</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Re PutnamEco

Good idea for sheathing. 

We use pilot panel bits (looked in our stock and ours are Dewalt DW6458) - but these are used in a 1/2 inch plunge router. They do make nice clean cuts - but the Roto-Zips are a bit easier to handle up on the wall and do a decent job on both wood and drywall if you pick the right bit. I never tried a pilot panel bit on drywall - but I'd worry about the innards of one of our plunge routers getting clogged with drywall dust.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re PutnamEco</p>
<p>Good idea for sheathing. </p>
<p>We use pilot panel bits (looked in our stock and ours are Dewalt DW6458) - but these are used in a 1/2 inch plunge router. They do make nice clean cuts - but the Roto-Zips are a bit easier to handle up on the wall and do a decent job on both wood and drywall if you pick the right bit. I never tried a pilot panel bit on drywall - but I&#8217;d worry about the innards of one of our plunge routers getting clogged with drywall dust.
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		<title>by: PutnamEco</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2008/03/19/cheap-ass-tools-beaver-saw-drill/#comment-260011</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://toolmonger.com/2008/03/19/cheap-ass-tools-beaver-saw-drill/#comment-260011</guid>
					<description>For an alternative that you can use in a router, there is the pilot panel bit.

www.amazon.com/Milwaukee-48-23-6041-4-Inch-Router-Double/dp/B000CSSF7U/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&amp;#38;s=hi&amp;#38;qid=1206017834&amp;#38;sr=8-14

Works great for cutting out window openings in sheathing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For an alternative that you can use in a router, there is the pilot panel bit.</p>
<p><a href='http://www.amazon.com/Milwaukee-48-23-6041-4-Inch-Router-Double/dp/B000CSSF7U/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&amp;s=hi&amp;qid=1206017834&amp;sr=8-14' rel='nofollow'>www.amazon.com/Milwaukee-48-23-6041-4-Inch-Router-Double/dp/B000CSSF7U/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&amp;s=hi&amp;qid=1206017834&amp;sr=8-14</a></p>
<p>Works great for cutting out window openings in sheathing.
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		<title>by: rick</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2008/03/19/cheap-ass-tools-beaver-saw-drill/#comment-259960</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://toolmonger.com/2008/03/19/cheap-ass-tools-beaver-saw-drill/#comment-259960</guid>
					<description>hmmmm... cant wait until somone uses this to remove old drywall and cuts right into some onld wire....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmmmm&#8230; cant wait until somone uses this to remove old drywall and cuts right into some onld wire&#8230;.
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		<title>by: ToolFreak</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2008/03/19/cheap-ass-tools-beaver-saw-drill/#comment-259765</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://toolmonger.com/2008/03/19/cheap-ass-tools-beaver-saw-drill/#comment-259765</guid>
					<description>Lowe's has been getting rid of these at their stores, on clearance for around $1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lowe&#8217;s has been getting rid of these at their stores, on clearance for around $1.
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		<title>by: Stuart</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2008/03/19/cheap-ass-tools-beaver-saw-drill/#comment-259665</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://toolmonger.com/2008/03/19/cheap-ass-tools-beaver-saw-drill/#comment-259665</guid>
					<description>It's not entirely a great idea to use rotozip type bits in a drill due to the chuck design. The jaws are meant to hold drill bits as perpendicular as possible, and can support large loads along the axial direction of a drill bit. Think about it, would you want to put a 1/4&quot; router bit into a drill? I didn't think so.

I suppose one could use a cheap drill to avoid wearing out or damaging the chuck of a good drill, but then again, cheap drill = cheap chuck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not entirely a great idea to use rotozip type bits in a drill due to the chuck design. The jaws are meant to hold drill bits as perpendicular as possible, and can support large loads along the axial direction of a drill bit. Think about it, would you want to put a 1/4&#8243; router bit into a drill? I didn&#8217;t think so.</p>
<p>I suppose one could use a cheap drill to avoid wearing out or damaging the chuck of a good drill, but then again, cheap drill = cheap chuck.
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		<title>by: Fred</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2008/03/19/cheap-ass-tools-beaver-saw-drill/#comment-259635</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://toolmonger.com/2008/03/19/cheap-ass-tools-beaver-saw-drill/#comment-259635</guid>
					<description>Stanley made one too - their #186

Woodworker's Supply sells a set:

http://woodworker.com/cgi-bin/FULLPRES.exe?PARTNUM=948-873&amp;#38;search=Drill%20Saw

Drywall routers are more versatile.
We still have a pre-Bosch-Takeover Roto Zip that still works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stanley made one too - their #186</p>
<p>Woodworker&#8217;s Supply sells a set:</p>
<p><a href='http://woodworker.com/cgi-bin/FULLPRES.exe?PARTNUM=948-873&amp;search=Drill%20Saw' rel='nofollow'>http://woodworker.com/cgi-bin/FULLPRES.exe?PARTNUM=948-873&amp;search=Drill%20Saw</a></p>
<p>Drywall routers are more versatile.<br />
We still have a pre-Bosch-Takeover Roto Zip that still works.
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		<title>by: KMR</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2008/03/19/cheap-ass-tools-beaver-saw-drill/#comment-259620</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://toolmonger.com/2008/03/19/cheap-ass-tools-beaver-saw-drill/#comment-259620</guid>
					<description>Black and Decker made these Beaver type bits at least 15 years ago... I still have one somewhere.  Almost the exact same design, your typical split drill bit head and a shank with a ton of sharp square bodied teeth on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Black and Decker made these Beaver type bits at least 15 years ago&#8230; I still have one somewhere.  Almost the exact same design, your typical split drill bit head and a shank with a ton of sharp square bodied teeth on it.
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		<title>by: Benjamen Johnson</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2008/03/19/cheap-ass-tools-beaver-saw-drill/#comment-259617</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://toolmonger.com/2008/03/19/cheap-ass-tools-beaver-saw-drill/#comment-259617</guid>
					<description>I thought about Rotozip bits when I was posting this.  I've used them in dremels with varying success, but I think maybe the issue would be the 1/8&quot; diameter. Rotozip bits might need to spin faster than a normal drill spins.  The 1/4&quot; beaver saw drill is designed to spin at a slower speed for drills plus it has teeth vs. a cutting edge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought about Rotozip bits when I was posting this.  I&#8217;ve used them in dremels with varying success, but I think maybe the issue would be the 1/8&#8243; diameter. Rotozip bits might need to spin faster than a normal drill spins.  The 1/4&#8243; beaver saw drill is designed to spin at a slower speed for drills plus it has teeth vs. a cutting edge.
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		<title>by: Aaron</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2008/03/19/cheap-ass-tools-beaver-saw-drill/#comment-259601</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Anyone used a Rotozip bit in a drill? Any reason why you couldn't?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone used a Rotozip bit in a drill? Any reason why you couldn&#8217;t?
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