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	<title>Comments on: But It Only Makes That Sound When You&#8217;re Not Around!</title>
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		<title>by: Mac Man Bill</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2008/02/29/but-it-only-makes-that-sound-when-youre-not-around/#comment-266996</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://toolmonger.com/2008/02/29/but-it-only-makes-that-sound-when-youre-not-around/#comment-266996</guid>
					<description>I backed off pushing these after learning the local auto part stores sell the identical unit at much less than our “MSRP” price.  $79 is the Manufacturers “Suggested” Retail Price (MSRP) so it’s not set in stone.  Just like the sticker price on a new or used car…it CAN be negotiated.  

You can get software support from their website at http://www.crecorder.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I backed off pushing these after learning the local auto part stores sell the identical unit at much less than our “MSRP” price.  $79 is the Manufacturers “Suggested” Retail Price (MSRP) so it’s not set in stone.  Just like the sticker price on a new or used car…it CAN be negotiated.  </p>
<p>You can get software support from their website at <a href='http://www.crecorder.com/' rel='nofollow'>http://www.crecorder.com/</a>
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		<title>by: Rick</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2008/02/29/but-it-only-makes-that-sound-when-youre-not-around/#comment-266985</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://toolmonger.com/2008/02/29/but-it-only-makes-that-sound-when-youre-not-around/#comment-266985</guid>
					<description>Sells for $79 (on truck account) $58 cash &amp;#38; carry, still not all it's cracked up to be.   Had problems loading the software and its very quirky.  Pass on this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sells for $79 (on truck account) $58 cash &amp; carry, still not all it&#8217;s cracked up to be.   Had problems loading the software and its very quirky.  Pass on this one.
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		<title>by: CJ's</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2008/02/29/but-it-only-makes-that-sound-when-youre-not-around/#comment-260811</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 19:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://toolmonger.com/2008/02/29/but-it-only-makes-that-sound-when-youre-not-around/#comment-260811</guid>
					<description>Same here... the software crashed my computer.  Mac guy gave us their tech folks to help solve the problem but they said I'd have to call the company that makes it for them.  The number they gave me is &quot;not in service...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same here&#8230; the software crashed my computer.  Mac guy gave us their tech folks to help solve the problem but they said I&#8217;d have to call the company that makes it for them.  The number they gave me is &#8220;not in service&#8230;&#8221;
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		<title>by: GarageRanger</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2008/02/29/but-it-only-makes-that-sound-when-youre-not-around/#comment-253502</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 21:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://toolmonger.com/2008/02/29/but-it-only-makes-that-sound-when-youre-not-around/#comment-253502</guid>
					<description>My mac guy wanted me to try one out which meant loading the software on my PC.  Well, instead, it crashed my computer so I'll never now.  Now he owes me a computer repair bill of about $400.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My mac guy wanted me to try one out which meant loading the software on my PC.  Well, instead, it crashed my computer so I&#8217;ll never now.  Now he owes me a computer repair bill of about $400.
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		<title>by: Mac Man Bill</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2008/02/29/but-it-only-makes-that-sound-when-youre-not-around/#comment-252258</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 23:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://toolmonger.com/2008/02/29/but-it-only-makes-that-sound-when-youre-not-around/#comment-252258</guid>
					<description>Stanley own's Mac Tools.  If you go to the stanley website, you'll see that Mac is one of the divisons of Mac.  Mac salaried employees get a paycheck from Stanley Works.  Mac's got a new CEO but doubtful he'll ever get this company back on it's feet unless he really shakes up and gets rid of dead weight in Westerville, OH.  Most of the HQ folks are still stuck in the 80's believing things were as good as when they were distributors - with a salary!  

But, the overall mobile tool industry has been on a steady decline with higher gas prices, smarter technicians and the internet.  I hope to be gone before the end of the year and back to a real job with a regular paycheck and some bennies.  Hey, I made it for eight years...thats about three times the normal Mac tenure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stanley own&#8217;s Mac Tools.  If you go to the stanley website, you&#8217;ll see that Mac is one of the divisons of Mac.  Mac salaried employees get a paycheck from Stanley Works.  Mac&#8217;s got a new CEO but doubtful he&#8217;ll ever get this company back on it&#8217;s feet unless he really shakes up and gets rid of dead weight in Westerville, OH.  Most of the HQ folks are still stuck in the 80&#8217;s believing things were as good as when they were distributors - with a salary!  </p>
<p>But, the overall mobile tool industry has been on a steady decline with higher gas prices, smarter technicians and the internet.  I hope to be gone before the end of the year and back to a real job with a regular paycheck and some bennies.  Hey, I made it for eight years&#8230;thats about three times the normal Mac tenure.
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		<title>by: Old Donn</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2008/02/29/but-it-only-makes-that-sound-when-youre-not-around/#comment-248659</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 00:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://toolmonger.com/2008/02/29/but-it-only-makes-that-sound-when-youre-not-around/#comment-248659</guid>
					<description>Aside to Fred. Stanley's the parent company for MAC and Proto. Think MAC dealers are hard to find now? According to an earlier post, MAC's CEO quit and isn't being replaced. Proto will absorb the company and the MAC name will disappear in a few years. What happens then will be anybody's guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aside to Fred. Stanley&#8217;s the parent company for MAC and Proto. Think MAC dealers are hard to find now? According to an earlier post, MAC&#8217;s CEO quit and isn&#8217;t being replaced. Proto will absorb the company and the MAC name will disappear in a few years. What happens then will be anybody&#8217;s guess.
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		<title>by: Fred</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2008/02/29/but-it-only-makes-that-sound-when-youre-not-around/#comment-247929</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 03:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://toolmonger.com/2008/02/29/but-it-only-makes-that-sound-when-youre-not-around/#comment-247929</guid>
					<description>Is MAC a part of Stanley?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is MAC a part of Stanley?
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		<title>by: Adrian</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2008/02/29/but-it-only-makes-that-sound-when-youre-not-around/#comment-247518</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 12:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://toolmonger.com/2008/02/29/but-it-only-makes-that-sound-when-youre-not-around/#comment-247518</guid>
					<description>I won't go near anything mac sells.  their distributors are never in business long enough to provide any support nor do they warranty anything electronic or with a motor.  I'd also be afraid of the software I'd have to load on my computer just to read this gizmo.  I agree with techieman33...this is probably the same Davis Car Chip relabeled for Mac and no doubt 3x the price for mac's never can find &quot;service&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I won&#8217;t go near anything mac sells.  their distributors are never in business long enough to provide any support nor do they warranty anything electronic or with a motor.  I&#8217;d also be afraid of the software I&#8217;d have to load on my computer just to read this gizmo.  I agree with techieman33&#8230;this is probably the same Davis Car Chip relabeled for Mac and no doubt 3x the price for mac&#8217;s never can find &#8220;service&#8221;.
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		<title>by: B2Me</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2008/02/29/but-it-only-makes-that-sound-when-youre-not-around/#comment-246575</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 12:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://toolmonger.com/2008/02/29/but-it-only-makes-that-sound-when-youre-not-around/#comment-246575</guid>
					<description>Again,  Mac trying to take credit for something they got somewhere else, slapped a Mac decal on it and jacked the price up 200%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again,  Mac trying to take credit for something they got somewhere else, slapped a Mac decal on it and jacked the price up 200%.
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		<title>by: Pencilneck</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2008/02/29/but-it-only-makes-that-sound-when-youre-not-around/#comment-246220</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 03:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://toolmonger.com/2008/02/29/but-it-only-makes-that-sound-when-youre-not-around/#comment-246220</guid>
					<description>I think these things are over rated... if a car is screwing up and no DTC is flagged, so you pop one of these things in and then send the customer out, they return 3 days later stating that yesterday it messed up... now you get to go digging though a hay stack looking for a needle.

What if the issue isn't something monitored by OBDII?  VW and Audi products have a fuel pump relay that supply power to the injectors and other inputs and outputs on the engine.  The way things are set up, the fuel pump relay isn't monitored by OBDII.  The engine can outright die and OBD won't show anything.  But if you scan the car using the factory scan tool (or VAG COM by Ross Tech), you will see a bunch of short to ground DTCs for all the inputs and outputs.

OBD is very generic IMHO.  I work on VWs and rarely, if ever, use the OBDII when scanning a car, I'm using the factory VAG protocol and I'd guess most other product lines have their own types of protocols that go way beyond OBDII.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think these things are over rated&#8230; if a car is screwing up and no DTC is flagged, so you pop one of these things in and then send the customer out, they return 3 days later stating that yesterday it messed up&#8230; now you get to go digging though a hay stack looking for a needle.</p>
<p>What if the issue isn&#8217;t something monitored by OBDII?  VW and Audi products have a fuel pump relay that supply power to the injectors and other inputs and outputs on the engine.  The way things are set up, the fuel pump relay isn&#8217;t monitored by OBDII.  The engine can outright die and OBD won&#8217;t show anything.  But if you scan the car using the factory scan tool (or VAG COM by Ross Tech), you will see a bunch of short to ground DTCs for all the inputs and outputs.</p>
<p>OBD is very generic IMHO.  I work on VWs and rarely, if ever, use the OBDII when scanning a car, I&#8217;m using the factory VAG protocol and I&#8217;d guess most other product lines have their own types of protocols that go way beyond OBDII.
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		<title>by: techieman33</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2008/02/29/but-it-only-makes-that-sound-when-youre-not-around/#comment-245925</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 20:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://toolmonger.com/2008/02/29/but-it-only-makes-that-sound-when-youre-not-around/#comment-245925</guid>
					<description>Sounds just like the car chip, which has been out for a few years
http://www.davisnet.com/drive/products/carchip.asp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds just like the car chip, which has been out for a few years<br />
<a href='http://www.davisnet.com/drive/products/carchip.asp' rel='nofollow'>http://www.davisnet.com/drive/products/carchip.asp</a>
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		<title>by: Jim German</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2008/02/29/but-it-only-makes-that-sound-when-youre-not-around/#comment-245923</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 20:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://toolmonger.com/2008/02/29/but-it-only-makes-that-sound-when-youre-not-around/#comment-245923</guid>
					<description>Shame everything ODBII related costs way more than it should.  Be this is about $500.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shame everything ODBII related costs way more than it should.  Be this is about $500.
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