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		<title>By: bob</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2007/02/16/cutting-through-the-bs-fuel-additives/#comment-1018183</link>
		<dc:creator>bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 05:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chevron and Shell and 1 other eastern feul company (sunoco/conoco/amoco/BP?)  spent millions suing each other; the end result is these 3  can all claim "none better" at preventing engine buildup.  Chevron Shell and (?) use better quality additives than other companies, additives which will keep an engine cleaner over the long haul.

Most cars run fine on regular.  Most newer cars will recognize premium and deliver modestly better performance.  Most additives won't deliver near what they promise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chevron and Shell and 1 other eastern feul company (sunoco/conoco/amoco/BP?)  spent millions suing each other; the end result is these 3  can all claim &#8220;none better&#8221; at preventing engine buildup.  Chevron Shell and (?) use better quality additives than other companies, additives which will keep an engine cleaner over the long haul.</p>
<p>Most cars run fine on regular.  Most newer cars will recognize premium and deliver modestly better performance.  Most additives won&#8217;t deliver near what they promise.</p>
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		<title>By: jennifer</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2007/02/16/cutting-through-the-bs-fuel-additives/#comment-1018157</link>
		<dc:creator>jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 03:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>can i ask some of the product of fuel additives? how much the price of 1 barrel of fuel additives and the brand of the said products? thanks i really need your answer right now..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>can i ask some of the product of fuel additives? how much the price of 1 barrel of fuel additives and the brand of the said products? thanks i really need your answer right now..</p>
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		<title>By: Cargrl</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2007/02/16/cutting-through-the-bs-fuel-additives/#comment-750189</link>
		<dc:creator>Cargrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 03:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love STP. My dad and uncles have used it as "preventitive medicine" and our cars have always done right by us.

You want to talk snake oil, I wonder why you're singling out STP.  At least they've got active incredients that really do work to clean your engine.  Take Lucas for instance... is LITERALLY mineral oil.  Its got NO ACTIVE stuff in it.

What a racket.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love STP. My dad and uncles have used it as &#8220;preventitive medicine&#8221; and our cars have always done right by us.</p>
<p>You want to talk snake oil, I wonder why you&#8217;re singling out STP.  At least they&#8217;ve got active incredients that really do work to clean your engine.  Take Lucas for instance&#8230; is LITERALLY mineral oil.  Its got NO ACTIVE stuff in it.</p>
<p>What a racket.</p>
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		<title>By: Teacher</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2007/02/16/cutting-through-the-bs-fuel-additives/#comment-81436</link>
		<dc:creator>Teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 19:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For folks that run just one brand of gas, the gas you think you're buying may not be that brand.  Companies often "trade" gasoline.  Texaco will make an agreement with Exxon where texaco services several Texacos and the one exxon in the area while Exxon will service several Exxons and the two Texacos in the area.  I know it happens as one of my cousins drives a fuel tanker. He frequently delivers, from the same truck, gas to two or more brands of stations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For folks that run just one brand of gas, the gas you think you&#8217;re buying may not be that brand.  Companies often &#8220;trade&#8221; gasoline.  Texaco will make an agreement with Exxon where texaco services several Texacos and the one exxon in the area while Exxon will service several Exxons and the two Texacos in the area.  I know it happens as one of my cousins drives a fuel tanker. He frequently delivers, from the same truck, gas to two or more brands of stations.</p>
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		<title>By: melvin</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2007/02/16/cutting-through-the-bs-fuel-additives/#comment-57977</link>
		<dc:creator>melvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 18:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Second that it's not just Vettes and Vipers.  Practically anything with forced induction is going to call for premium gas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Second that it&#8217;s not just Vettes and Vipers.  Practically anything with forced induction is going to call for premium gas.</p>
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		<title>By: fuel saver</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2007/02/16/cutting-through-the-bs-fuel-additives/#comment-23723</link>
		<dc:creator>fuel saver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've been using a fuel additive consistently for several years and I think its been helping increase my overall mileage just as much as it says it would.  It also allows me to use lower octane and still get good performance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been using a fuel additive consistently for several years and I think its been helping increase my overall mileage just as much as it says it would.  It also allows me to use lower octane and still get good performance.</p>
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		<title>By: ambush27</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2007/02/16/cutting-through-the-bs-fuel-additives/#comment-23408</link>
		<dc:creator>ambush27</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Feb 2007 21:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't think fuel additives are necessary, it is probably just as good or better for your car to just put some top tier gas in.
http://www.toptiergas.com/
I think that crap gas and idling for long periods of time as well as improper maintenance are more likely to kill an engine.

And although I've heard of additives for fuel line freezing, fewer and fewer people seem to be doing that, maybe its the move to fuel injection, maybe its the additives in gas, I don't know, but it seems unnecessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think fuel additives are necessary, it is probably just as good or better for your car to just put some top tier gas in.<br />
<a href="http://www.toptiergas.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.toptiergas.com/</a><br />
I think that crap gas and idling for long periods of time as well as improper maintenance are more likely to kill an engine.</p>
<p>And although I&#8217;ve heard of additives for fuel line freezing, fewer and fewer people seem to be doing that, maybe its the move to fuel injection, maybe its the additives in gas, I don&#8217;t know, but it seems unnecessary.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate Bezanson</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2007/02/16/cutting-through-the-bs-fuel-additives/#comment-22915</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate Bezanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 17:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rann: My theory is that you have carbon buildup in your cylinder heads, which reduces the available combustion chamber volume and increases the compression ratio, leading to knock and thus spark retard when you're using low-octane gas. Premium allows the engine to run closer to spec, and you recover some of the lost power.

Find a friend with a borescope you can put in through a spark plug hole, or take it to a service shop and ask them to inspect it for excessive carbon in the head. This can be caused by prolonged operation at low throttle (how often do you run at wide-open throttle for 5+ seconds at a time, like get on the entrance ramp and just womp on it?), dirty injectors, or restricted intake (changed your air filter lately?).

Anyway, water remover doesn't work by segregating the water from the fuel -- that happens normally. Oil and water don't mix, right? So water vapor that gets into the tank condenses and collects in a "puddle" on the bottom of the tank, since it's heavier than gasoline. Occasionally the fuel pump sucks up part of this puddle, and a moment's worth of water gets delivered to the injectors instead of fuel. This causes periods of rough running, power loss, even stalling if there's enough of it.

Water remover is just alcohol, which is combustible like fuel but also dissolves water. It mixes with the puddle in the tank, so next time the fuel pump sucks some up, the engine doesn't notice (much). Running a few gallons of E10 instead of your regular fuel has the same effect as adding a bottle of additive, but costs less and has no additional packaging to throw away. In spring and fall when condensation is most likely, I stop at the local Sunoco every few fillups, because all their blends contain 10% Ethanol.

At most stations, even the cheap grades contain the same detergents and additives as the higher grades. But the specific types of additives vary between brands. Every detergent has a set of things it will dissolve, and a set of things it won't. It's like moisturizing hand soap won't clean moisturizer off your hands. Running different brands of gas (with different additives) allows them to clean up the mess left behind by each other, and has the same effect as a bottle of additive but without the cost or the bottle.

As for high-compression engines, it's not just Vipers and Vettes! I was shocked and somewhat pissed off when, a week after having bought my Toyota, I stopped to fuel it up and found the "premium fuel only" sticker inside the fuel door. The dealer never told me that the tradeoff for having the upgraded "2ZZ sport" engine was that I'd be paying for high-octane gas for the life of the car! Bastard. Anyway, a lot of the smaller cars achieve the performance they do because of high-output, high-compression engines, which require high-octane gas. If this is the case, it'll be in the owner's manual or labeled inside the fuel door.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rann: My theory is that you have carbon buildup in your cylinder heads, which reduces the available combustion chamber volume and increases the compression ratio, leading to knock and thus spark retard when you&#8217;re using low-octane gas. Premium allows the engine to run closer to spec, and you recover some of the lost power.</p>
<p>Find a friend with a borescope you can put in through a spark plug hole, or take it to a service shop and ask them to inspect it for excessive carbon in the head. This can be caused by prolonged operation at low throttle (how often do you run at wide-open throttle for 5+ seconds at a time, like get on the entrance ramp and just womp on it?), dirty injectors, or restricted intake (changed your air filter lately?).</p>
<p>Anyway, water remover doesn&#8217;t work by segregating the water from the fuel &#8212; that happens normally. Oil and water don&#8217;t mix, right? So water vapor that gets into the tank condenses and collects in a &#8220;puddle&#8221; on the bottom of the tank, since it&#8217;s heavier than gasoline. Occasionally the fuel pump sucks up part of this puddle, and a moment&#8217;s worth of water gets delivered to the injectors instead of fuel. This causes periods of rough running, power loss, even stalling if there&#8217;s enough of it.</p>
<p>Water remover is just alcohol, which is combustible like fuel but also dissolves water. It mixes with the puddle in the tank, so next time the fuel pump sucks some up, the engine doesn&#8217;t notice (much). Running a few gallons of E10 instead of your regular fuel has the same effect as adding a bottle of additive, but costs less and has no additional packaging to throw away. In spring and fall when condensation is most likely, I stop at the local Sunoco every few fillups, because all their blends contain 10% Ethanol.</p>
<p>At most stations, even the cheap grades contain the same detergents and additives as the higher grades. But the specific types of additives vary between brands. Every detergent has a set of things it will dissolve, and a set of things it won&#8217;t. It&#8217;s like moisturizing hand soap won&#8217;t clean moisturizer off your hands. Running different brands of gas (with different additives) allows them to clean up the mess left behind by each other, and has the same effect as a bottle of additive but without the cost or the bottle.</p>
<p>As for high-compression engines, it&#8217;s not just Vipers and Vettes! I was shocked and somewhat pissed off when, a week after having bought my Toyota, I stopped to fuel it up and found the &#8220;premium fuel only&#8221; sticker inside the fuel door. The dealer never told me that the tradeoff for having the upgraded &#8220;2ZZ sport&#8221; engine was that I&#8217;d be paying for high-octane gas for the life of the car! Bastard. Anyway, a lot of the smaller cars achieve the performance they do because of high-output, high-compression engines, which require high-octane gas. If this is the case, it&#8217;ll be in the owner&#8217;s manual or labeled inside the fuel door.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Donn</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2007/02/16/cutting-through-the-bs-fuel-additives/#comment-22864</link>
		<dc:creator>Old Donn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 12:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The above should read Bravo HS.</description>
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		<title>By: Old Donn</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2007/02/16/cutting-through-the-bs-fuel-additives/#comment-22860</link>
		<dc:creator>Old Donn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 12:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bravo Trevor. If the above mentioned Cavalier was like that from the get, it should've been back to the service department in a heartbeat, (of America?). There are exceptions, but facts are just that. What shape is this machine in? Or did you buy into the "everything lasts 100,000 miles" story. And before you ask, yeah, I've have Cavaliers and their cousin, Pontiac Sunbirds, in the past. They had problems, (head gaskets, fuel pumps), but all ran as advertised on regular unleaded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bravo Trevor. If the above mentioned Cavalier was like that from the get, it should&#8217;ve been back to the service department in a heartbeat, (of America?). There are exceptions, but facts are just that. What shape is this machine in? Or did you buy into the &#8220;everything lasts 100,000 miles&#8221; story. And before you ask, yeah, I&#8217;ve have Cavaliers and their cousin, Pontiac Sunbirds, in the past. They had problems, (head gaskets, fuel pumps), but all ran as advertised on regular unleaded.</p>
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		<title>By: Trevor D.</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2007/02/16/cutting-through-the-bs-fuel-additives/#comment-22807</link>
		<dc:creator>Trevor D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 08:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^ +1</description>
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		<title>By: HS</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2007/02/16/cutting-through-the-bs-fuel-additives/#comment-22695</link>
		<dc:creator>HS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 00:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn, if your mileage varies up to 10 miles from gallon to gallon, there's more going on than just different fuel types.

Also, I hate to be the 10000000000th person on the internet to point this out, but real-world, "seat-of-your-pants" experimentation is hardly useful when there are so many variables to address.

Gasoline composition can vary from season to season, and you didn't even address that effect in your experiment.  Did you control for things like ambient temperature, humidity, wind, altitude, road surface and tire pressure variations?  There are hundreds of things that can significantly contribute to variations in fuel efficiency.

There's also the human factor to consider.  Was this a double-blind experiment?  If not, what steps did you take to minimize the psychological factors of the experiment?

I would hesitate to call BS on conclusions drawn from the results of countless controlled, scientific experiments when all you've got to go on is non-scientific observation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn, if your mileage varies up to 10 miles from gallon to gallon, there&#8217;s more going on than just different fuel types.</p>
<p>Also, I hate to be the 10000000000th person on the internet to point this out, but real-world, &#8220;seat-of-your-pants&#8221; experimentation is hardly useful when there are so many variables to address.</p>
<p>Gasoline composition can vary from season to season, and you didn&#8217;t even address that effect in your experiment.  Did you control for things like ambient temperature, humidity, wind, altitude, road surface and tire pressure variations?  There are hundreds of things that can significantly contribute to variations in fuel efficiency.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s also the human factor to consider.  Was this a double-blind experiment?  If not, what steps did you take to minimize the psychological factors of the experiment?</p>
<p>I would hesitate to call BS on conclusions drawn from the results of countless controlled, scientific experiments when all you&#8217;ve got to go on is non-scientific observation.</p>
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		<title>By: Rann Fox</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2007/02/16/cutting-through-the-bs-fuel-additives/#comment-22682</link>
		<dc:creator>Rann Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 23:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look I don't know jack about the finer points of IC engines BUT on one car I have noticed several items of FACT;
1  The car is a 98 Chevy Caviler (4 banger)
2  I drive appox 250 + miles a week
3  Regular gas makes it sluggish and gives poor gas milage
4  Premium gives me up to 10 miles per gallon better milage
5  STP additive gives me more "peppy" and responsive to the throttle
6  The car is a one owner and runs ONLY chevron gas
Now does some one want to explain that or do I continue to think this article is BS????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look I don&#8217;t know jack about the finer points of IC engines BUT on one car I have noticed several items of FACT;<br />
1  The car is a 98 Chevy Caviler (4 banger)<br />
2  I drive appox 250 + miles a week<br />
3  Regular gas makes it sluggish and gives poor gas milage<br />
4  Premium gives me up to 10 miles per gallon better milage<br />
5  STP additive gives me more &#8220;peppy&#8221; and responsive to the throttle<br />
6  The car is a one owner and runs ONLY chevron gas<br />
Now does some one want to explain that or do I continue to think this article is BS????</p>
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		<title>By: Old Donn</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2007/02/16/cutting-through-the-bs-fuel-additives/#comment-22681</link>
		<dc:creator>Old Donn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 23:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unless you've got a Vette or a Viper, your car was built to run on 87 octane regular unleaded. That's what the on-board computer's looking to ignite. Running premium will cause deposits because it won't burn as efficiently as regular. Any mechanic who says otherwise should be selling shoes. Back in the day of breaker points and mechanical timing, you could make it work, not in these on-board computer days. As far as additives are concerned, gas in the tank, oil in the engine, nothing else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless you&#8217;ve got a Vette or a Viper, your car was built to run on 87 octane regular unleaded. That&#8217;s what the on-board computer&#8217;s looking to ignite. Running premium will cause deposits because it won&#8217;t burn as efficiently as regular. Any mechanic who says otherwise should be selling shoes. Back in the day of breaker points and mechanical timing, you could make it work, not in these on-board computer days. As far as additives are concerned, gas in the tank, oil in the engine, nothing else.</p>
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		<title>By: Fong</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2007/02/16/cutting-through-the-bs-fuel-additives/#comment-22661</link>
		<dc:creator>Fong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 21:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lead was originally used as the anti-knock agent from 1927 to 1986 when it was finally outlawed.  The other option was ethyl alcohol that farmers had been using already but lead was chosen 'cuz it was cheaper.

This a great writeup.  I can't count how many middle class suburbanites I've had to educate on the uselessness of using higher octane than their car requires.  What's especially curious is that they always sound surprised...sheep...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lead was originally used as the anti-knock agent from 1927 to 1986 when it was finally outlawed.  The other option was ethyl alcohol that farmers had been using already but lead was chosen &#8216;cuz it was cheaper.</p>
<p>This a great writeup.  I can&#8217;t count how many middle class suburbanites I&#8217;ve had to educate on the uselessness of using higher octane than their car requires.  What&#8217;s especially curious is that they always sound surprised&#8230;sheep&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2007/02/16/cutting-through-the-bs-fuel-additives/#comment-22637</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 20:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well a buddy of mine used to own a gas station and he knew a thing or two about the product he was selling. First thing I can recall him telling me is all gasolines on the market today are detergent gasolines. That is they clean as you use them. Some companies make a big to do about having cleaners in their gas, but if my friend is right all gas has cleaners in them.

As for lead, the only reason I know of for lead in gasoline is for valve seat lubricant. Maybe it did something else, but running unleaded in non stellite valve seat heads would lead to impacted valve seats. Alloy valve seats is afaik the main difference between vehicles that can run on unleaded, and those that need lead.

It is my opinion that we are getting scammed with this "oxygenated" fuel ethanol today. Mileage really takes a dive when this stuff is in the gas. And yes, I have had fuel lines freeze on me, and drygas can prevent that from happening. I've also seen people that swear by Marvel Mystery oil in their gas. I'm not one of them though.

I am a big believer in oil additives though. I have seen Tufoil do amazing things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well a buddy of mine used to own a gas station and he knew a thing or two about the product he was selling. First thing I can recall him telling me is all gasolines on the market today are detergent gasolines. That is they clean as you use them. Some companies make a big to do about having cleaners in their gas, but if my friend is right all gas has cleaners in them.</p>
<p>As for lead, the only reason I know of for lead in gasoline is for valve seat lubricant. Maybe it did something else, but running unleaded in non stellite valve seat heads would lead to impacted valve seats. Alloy valve seats is afaik the main difference between vehicles that can run on unleaded, and those that need lead.</p>
<p>It is my opinion that we are getting scammed with this &#8220;oxygenated&#8221; fuel ethanol today. Mileage really takes a dive when this stuff is in the gas. And yes, I have had fuel lines freeze on me, and drygas can prevent that from happening. I&#8217;ve also seen people that swear by Marvel Mystery oil in their gas. I&#8217;m not one of them though.</p>
<p>I am a big believer in oil additives though. I have seen Tufoil do amazing things.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris S.</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2007/02/16/cutting-through-the-bs-fuel-additives/#comment-22636</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 20:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ive used Seafoam before which does seem to make a difference
http://www.seafoamsales.com/motorTuneUpTechGas.htm

you suck it into your engine through the break booster line and let it sit for 10 minutes then start it up and watch the smoke show as your exhaust spits out lot of carbon build up

Check out some videos 
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=seafoam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ive used Seafoam before which does seem to make a difference<br />
<a href="http://www.seafoamsales.com/motorTuneUpTechGas.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.seafoamsales.com/motorTuneUpTechGas.htm</a></p>
<p>you suck it into your engine through the break booster line and let it sit for 10 minutes then start it up and watch the smoke show as your exhaust spits out lot of carbon build up</p>
<p>Check out some videos<br />
<a href="http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=seafoam" rel="nofollow">http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=seafoam</a></p>
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		<title>By: PT</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2007/02/16/cutting-through-the-bs-fuel-additives/#comment-22633</link>
		<dc:creator>PT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 20:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The issue was because Daytona is a restrictor plate (The plate restricts oxygen flow to slow down the cars) track.  The story says that it was an oxygenate that was added.  A quick check of Wikipedia under Oxygenate confirmed that it will help you burn more of the fuel that the restrictor plate is wasting.  No modification would have been necessary to the race, to take advantage of additive.  You are entirely correct that it wouldn't help too much the average car as long as you use the proper fuel and keep up with the basic car maintenance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The issue was because Daytona is a restrictor plate (The plate restricts oxygen flow to slow down the cars) track.  The story says that it was an oxygenate that was added.  A quick check of Wikipedia under Oxygenate confirmed that it will help you burn more of the fuel that the restrictor plate is wasting.  No modification would have been necessary to the race, to take advantage of additive.  You are entirely correct that it wouldn&#8217;t help too much the average car as long as you use the proper fuel and keep up with the basic car maintenance.</p>
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		<title>By: nrChris</title>
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		<dc:creator>nrChris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn't jet fuel just kerosene? Seems like that would be a really bad thing to run through a normally aspirated engine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t jet fuel just kerosene? Seems like that would be a really bad thing to run through a normally aspirated engine.</p>
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		<title>By: Roscoe</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2007/02/16/cutting-through-the-bs-fuel-additives/#comment-22612</link>
		<dc:creator>Roscoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chuck- your Texas climate shows through here.  In a Northern winter, it's a good idea to run a good multi-purpose fuel additive through the tank every moth or so.  More than anything, I think it helps with water in the fuel lines.  I'm not too diligent about it in warm months, but I can definitely feel and hear the difference a good additive makes in the winter, we do so in all our equipment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chuck- your Texas climate shows through here.  In a Northern winter, it&#8217;s a good idea to run a good multi-purpose fuel additive through the tank every moth or so.  More than anything, I think it helps with water in the fuel lines.  I&#8217;m not too diligent about it in warm months, but I can definitely feel and hear the difference a good additive makes in the winter, we do so in all our equipment.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2007/02/16/cutting-through-the-bs-fuel-additives/#comment-22610</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tend to run a fuel / injector cleaner additive through my car every second oil change or so. Typically I find that when I do that, the car will run smoother after, and start somewhat easier. I'm not sure how much of that is purely psychosomatic, but I know for a fact that it's helped on some of the truely abused used cars i've owned over the years...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to run a fuel / injector cleaner additive through my car every second oil change or so. Typically I find that when I do that, the car will run smoother after, and start somewhat easier. I&#8217;m not sure how much of that is purely psychosomatic, but I know for a fact that it&#8217;s helped on some of the truely abused used cars i&#8217;ve owned over the years&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: SlowJoeCrow</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2007/02/16/cutting-through-the-bs-fuel-additives/#comment-22597</link>
		<dc:creator>SlowJoeCrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 18:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From personal experience, octane boosters are only really useful if you have a high compression engine that pings on 93 octane. Before I rebuilt it with flat top pistons my BMW R100S needed octane booster, and in the early 90s I used 104+ Real Lead , which came in metal containers because it would melt plastic. I found that out the hard way, when I put some in an empty VW fuel additive bottle to save space on a trip, and when I took it out of the saddle bag the bottle was soft and squishy.
Fuel line driers, like Dry Gas are mostly alcohol and serve a useful function in the winter by sequestering water from condensation in the tank and preventing it from freezing. I  have had a car not start because of ice in the fuel line so it is a real problem in cold damp climates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From personal experience, octane boosters are only really useful if you have a high compression engine that pings on 93 octane. Before I rebuilt it with flat top pistons my BMW R100S needed octane booster, and in the early 90s I used 104+ Real Lead , which came in metal containers because it would melt plastic. I found that out the hard way, when I put some in an empty VW fuel additive bottle to save space on a trip, and when I took it out of the saddle bag the bottle was soft and squishy.<br />
Fuel line driers, like Dry Gas are mostly alcohol and serve a useful function in the winter by sequestering water from condensation in the tank and preventing it from freezing. I  have had a car not start because of ice in the fuel line so it is a real problem in cold damp climates.</p>
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		<title>By: olderty</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2007/02/16/cutting-through-the-bs-fuel-additives/#comment-22596</link>
		<dc:creator>olderty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 18:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice write up.  I'd like to add a couple things though.  Most 'premium' gases, mostly 93 octane, do advertise that they contain cleaners.  Your point that higher octane fuels don't do anything but affect your wallet is true for the most part (most cars don't need the extra octane), unless it makes you feel better that there are cleaners inside.  The way I see it, premium (93 octane) usually costs around 20 cents more per gallon than the standard 87 octane.  If you buy 10 gallons of 93, you're spending $2.00 more than you normally would.  The cleaner/octane additives you buy inside the gas station usually run between $3.50-$6, and usually only treat 10-15 gallons.  My personal fuel maintenance is usually a tank or 2 of premium name brand gas once a month or so.  In other words, buying premium is better when it comes down to money.  

The second thing I'd like to point out is that the fuel/air mixture in a cylinder is not supposed to explode, as you stated, when operating normally.  Gas is designed to burn - very fast, creating the energy necessary to move the piston back down.  When the fuel/air mix explodes (as you said, called ping or knock) it is a bad situation that will cause damage if not corrected by the computer or higher octane gas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice write up.  I&#8217;d like to add a couple things though.  Most &#8216;premium&#8217; gases, mostly 93 octane, do advertise that they contain cleaners.  Your point that higher octane fuels don&#8217;t do anything but affect your wallet is true for the most part (most cars don&#8217;t need the extra octane), unless it makes you feel better that there are cleaners inside.  The way I see it, premium (93 octane) usually costs around 20 cents more per gallon than the standard 87 octane.  If you buy 10 gallons of 93, you&#8217;re spending $2.00 more than you normally would.  The cleaner/octane additives you buy inside the gas station usually run between $3.50-$6, and usually only treat 10-15 gallons.  My personal fuel maintenance is usually a tank or 2 of premium name brand gas once a month or so.  In other words, buying premium is better when it comes down to money.  </p>
<p>The second thing I&#8217;d like to point out is that the fuel/air mixture in a cylinder is not supposed to explode, as you stated, when operating normally.  Gas is designed to burn - very fast, creating the energy necessary to move the piston back down.  When the fuel/air mix explodes (as you said, called ping or knock) it is a bad situation that will cause damage if not corrected by the computer or higher octane gas.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://toolmonger.com/2007/02/16/cutting-through-the-bs-fuel-additives/#comment-22591</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 17:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wikipedia has a pretty good explanation of how octane ratings are derived:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating

I remember in my sophomore organic chem class having this explained to me and having a real "ah-ha" moment. Thanks for putting this up, it's great to see the championing of critical thinking and rationality for a market that pretty saturated with hyperbole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wikipedia has a pretty good explanation of how octane ratings are derived:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating</a></p>
<p>I remember in my sophomore organic chem class having this explained to me and having a real &#8220;ah-ha&#8221; moment. Thanks for putting this up, it&#8217;s great to see the championing of critical thinking and rationality for a market that pretty saturated with hyperbole.</p>
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